No accountability yet for G20 Toronto Police Crimes

Tear gas, mounted police with polo sticks and water canonns would have been the appropriate response for those who decided not to move-on after 3 warnings. Same procedure should have been used in Vancouver.




Actually the media has focused on the police, not the terrorists. If you google G20 you see hundreds of pictures of the police and a few pictures of the ******** trashing the storefronts and assaulting reporters.....

But I guess you saw a cartoon about another country so.... yea, what you said. :rolleyes:
 
Actually the media has focused on the police

As they should. Allegations of police abuse is a serious issue for a lot of people. And, if true, far more important than a bunch of lawbreakers.

But, what I found amusing was that someone from each side of the argument would post images depicting very similar events to support their side.


And what's with this labelling criminals and vandals as terrorists? ......you army or something?
 
I just like calling them that. :)

Nice 180 BTW. :thumbup:
 
Compare what? An Italian cartoon to violent terrorists attacking government property and innocent peoples businesses?

Don't see how they compare.

Try harder.

Clearly you missed the point, or are being intentionally obtuse

For every retard we saw in the media putting bricks through glass, there were thousands of completely peaceful protesters trying to pass on a message.

The job of the police should be to arrest those who are actually causing havoc, and the job of the media should've been to cover the peaceful protesters. If the dumbass looters and hooligans don't get any airtime, and if the cops crack down on them in a timely manner, the situation would've unfolded differently.
 
Clearly you missed the point, or are being intentionally obtuse

For every retard we saw in the media putting bricks through glass, there were hundreds of completely peaceful protesters trying to pass on a message.

The job of the police should be to arrest those who are actually causing havoc, and the job of the media should've been to cover the peaceful protesters. If the dumbass looters and hooligans don't get any airtime, and if the cops crack down on them in a timely manner, the situation would've unfolded differently.

And in a perfect world you would be right. And what was the message?
 
I doubt there was a single united message in those protests... save for maybe the common expectation for these meetings to be more transparent and in the public eye.

But that's not the point. There were way too many well documented cases of cops busting up the wrong people, in some cases even people obviously working for the media. Where were the cops for these violent clashes? They can keep peace and security during New Years eve, during hockey and playoff games (lol vancouver) and all kinds of other protests... but they couldn't stop these cunts from breaking windows and burning police cars?

****** fragmented organization.
 
I doubt there was a single united message in those protests... save for maybe the common expectation for these meetings to be more transparent and in the public eye.

But that's not the point. There were way too many well documented cases of cops busting up the wrong people, in some cases even people obviously working for the media. Where were the cops for these violent clashes? They can keep peace and security during New Years eve, during hockey and playoff games (lol vancouver) and all kinds of other protests... but they couldn't stop these cunts from breaking windows and burning police cars?

****** fragmented organization.

You know they can't win,come down too hard, the whiners come out. Don't come down hard enough the complainers come out. Can you name one protest in a major city where the most people liked the police response?
 
You know they can't win,come down too hard, the whiners come out. Don't come down hard enough the complainers come out. Can you name one protest in a major city where the most people liked the police response?

Vancouver Olympics was considered a success in terms of protesting and police response and enforcement.

Not to say it was perfect but its night and day from the G20
 
Vancouver Olympics was considered a success in terms of protesting and police response and enforcement.

Not to say it was perfect but its night and day from the G20

Seems it was the same on a much smaller scale. 200 dumbasses caused problems. Police encircled them and made arrests
 
And what was the message?

That's what I would like to know as well.

The conference was to discuss possible solutions to decrease the deficit. Was that wrong?

Were the protesters there to oppose that? Were they for national debt? They added about $1 000 000 to it by being there and forcing the police into planning for it and true to form came with violence and destruction. It doesn't matter that some were peaceful. EVERY time this happens ******** show up and **** with innocent peoples livelihood.

If they didn't go, there would have been no arrests, no violence and no tears two years later.

So, what were they there for? Attention?

A place to wear their trendy masks and goad the police into action by hurling insults hoping to get a picture taken so it trends on facebook? They asked for it. The ones that wouldn't move when they were told to got ****ed up. So, they got what they asked for.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have the right to have their voices heard but holy **** man, they didn't say anything and they weren't heard by anyone that can change it.
 
Seems it was the same on a much smaller scale. 200 dumbasses caused problems. Police encircled them and made arrests

There was no material complaints about rights violations on regular citizens, Thats a pretty big difference.
 
What people don't get, is that just by being there in the area when you didn't need to be, and you KNEW what the police were dealing with (I was on some mountain top in the desert on the other side of the world and I knew it) then you are, in fact supporting these few violent protesters.
The cops were way over tasked, and the good, peaceful, law abiding people should have LEFT when ASKED so the cops didn't have to deal with their BS and they could get down to looking after the real problem.
With all these idiots being there when they had no real reason to be there, THEY made the bad situation worse. All that crowd control took man power from the TPS from being able to deal with those idiots down town.

People need to take a wide look at crap from the other side's perspective.

Did innocent people get arrested? Sure they did, but I saw more than enough youtube videos of idiots being in the face of cops, spitting on them, calling them names, poking their fingers in the officers chest and the cop just saying "please move along" and giving people more than their share of warnings. Don't want to be falsely arrested and maybe roughed up a bit? DON'T put yourself in that position and let them do their freakin' jobs!

I'm NOT a police lover, I think there are too many rules we need to follow as it is, but sometimes people are just clueless.

I have no issue with people standing up and making their wants heard. If you cause no problems for the rest of the population, you can do whatever you want. Saw a guy in Bancroft today with a big sign saying "OPP lie to us" almost right in front of the cop shop, and I thought "right on dude". Not sure what his issue was, but he was there, making his statement, and not causing any issue while doing so... And there wasn't a cop in sight because he was playing by the rules.
 
What people don't get, is that just by being there in the area when you didn't need to be, and you KNEW what the police were dealing with (I was on some mountain top in the desert on the other side of the world and I knew it) then you are, in fact supporting these few violent protesters.

And by posting here on the forum, you are indirectly supporting the oil industry, which supports the global banks, which profit from wars that kill innocent civilians by propping them up fake debt that they create out of thin air.

Just as plausible a comment, only mine is more on-message with what the protesters were THERE FOR.

The cops were way over tasked, and the good, peaceful, law abiding people should have LEFT when ASKED so the cops didn't have to deal with their BS and they could get down to looking after the real problem.

Better yet, we should all just bow down and lick their heels. They know what's best for everyone and will keep us safe, after all; though it might take a thorough unprovoked beating to get the message across, they're all really nice guys!

People need to take a wide look at crap from the other side's perspective.

The side that people were deliberately there to protest?

Did innocent people get arrested? Sure they did, but I saw more than enough youtube videos of idiots being in the face of cops, spitting on them, calling them names, poking their fingers in the officers chest and the cop just saying "please move along" and giving people more than their share of warnings. Don't want to be falsely arrested and maybe roughed up a bit? DON'T put yourself in that position and let them do their freakin' jobs!

Or better yet, DO put yourself in that position to protest (that's what they were there for???) the fact that governments are operating in lockstep with globalized companies and global banks, and members of the G20 were there expressly to put pressure on Canada for its resources. So, since you like to crow about how everyone needs to "consider the other side," maybe you should consider for yourself that the protesters saw the cops for exactly what they were at the G20: hired muscle to keep the debt-slaves and the unwashed dependents from getting too close to the Oligarchs. Take that out for a spin. See how it feels.

I'm NOT a police lover, I think there are too many rules we need to follow as it is, but sometimes people are just clueless.

If you're really not, you do a fantastic job of resembling one on this subject, at least.

Not sure what his issue was, but he was there, making his statement, and not causing any issue while doing so... And there wasn't a cop in sight because he was playing by the rules.

The thing you're missing about this, is that a lot of people were trying to do just that... and the cops were on top of them with force, threatening them unlawfully, demanding identification unlawfully, searching unlawfully, arresting unlawfully, beating people illegally, making up "the law" as they went and treating the citizens like dirt - many of whom were not even part of the protest.

Defend that, and all your other arguments are hot air.
 
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Shaman is being a little extreme, but I agree with his general point of view.
 
My quality of life and civil rights have not changed have not changed since G20. When do I feel this oppression I've been hearing so much about?

really? you have to personally feel oppression or it doesn't exist?
 

Its a good thing we have other civic minded people in the world, some of which were peaceful protesters at the G20.

The fact that you can't even recognize that by defending other's rights, you are defending your own shows that you don't take rights seriously.
 
I was on Spadina and Queen when they started burning the police car near Steve's Music. All I saw was a bunch of gawkers taking photos to post on their facebook page. And from all the news footage, the "protesters" were just voyeurs living out their Pulitzer Prize photojournalist fantasies.
 
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