New Rider - the ABS dilema

It will be a sad day when every production bike sold in Canada requires ABS.
I will say it now. If I am forced to buy a bike with ABS, I will rig a switch to disable it.
No matter how good ABS may be, the only time I will turn it on will be in cold wet situations where there is a possibility of ice on the roads.
I may think twice before turning it on in heavy rain falls.

I hate ABS and always will, no matter how good it is.
There are situations where I actually do want that back tire to slide out. The only way I can do that, is by downshifting too early, is not enough.

Most dirt bike riders do not like ABS on a street bike.
Imagine if every dirt bike required ABS as well.
How could you possibly ride in the dirt with ABS.
I believe you must have complete control of rear wheel slide.
 
Low rider said:
If I am forced to buy a bike with ABS, I will rig a switch to disable it.
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That seems foolish given how good the new systems are. Luckily, the new systems are also adjustable including full disable.

There are situations where I actually do want that back tire to slide out. The only way I can do that, is by downshifting too early, is not enough.
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I e-mailed Aprilia to ask that they add a decouple for the rear brake. I like that as well.

Imagine if every dirt bike required ABS as well.
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This may surprise you but systems for dirt bikes have received a fair bit of praise.
 
It doesn't matter to me one bit.
Just because the entire world likes something, does not mean that I also have to listen to Justin Bieber.
 
Almost everyone who tracks the new zx10 disables the abs which is done by simply removing a relay I believe, the kit ecu also disables the system. I'd be curious to know if any race bikes actually have abs, the systems are good but not that good.
 
As far as I know, most good road racers will "back it in" which would require no ABS.

I would like to see a system that allows you to back it in.

I actually do think some race teams use ABS. But I'm not sure.
 
CafeRay said:
ABS and TC is already on AMA racing.
ABS will not get you around a track faster, you are still limited by tire grip.
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Low rider said:
As far as I know, most good road racers will "back it in" which would require no ABS.

I would like to see a system that allows you to back it in.

I actually do think some race teams use ABS. But I'm not sure.
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I read somewhere ABS and TC is already being used in AMA racing. But ABS will not get you around the track faster, which is what racing is all about.
 
I think if I was disabling ABS for track use, I'd want to take the hardware off and plumb directly to the master cylinder. The only complaint I have about ABS systems is that some of the feel is gone (but of course that's because ABS does it for you) as the lever isn't quite as taut.
 
If you were just doing track days and used the bike for double duty it's just easier to pull a fuse (not relay, I was wrong) and that's the exact complaint people have with it. Apparently it's causes you to pass your brake marker by a few ft because it comes on unexpectedly.

"Backing it in" isn't done with the rear brake either.
 
dricked said:
If you were just doing track days and used the bike for double duty it's just easier to pull a fuse (not relay, I was wrong) and that's the exact complaint people have with it. Apparently it's causes you to pass your brake marker by a few ft because it comes on unexpectedly.

"Backing it in" isn't done with the rear brake either.
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Ok. agreed. but occasionally I will tap the rear brake if it isn't out as far as I wanted it to be.
 
I thought that the system for backing it in was called "Smoothness" and that ABS or not was irrelevant.

If would be nice if everyone who thought that they could outbrake a car, was required to have ABS for the street.
 
How about everybody who thinks they are faster than a car on the track should be required to go back to school?


Baggsy said:
I thought that the system for backing it in was called "Smoothness" and that ABS or not was irrelevant.

If would be nice if everyone who thought that they could outbrake a car, was required to have ABS for the street.
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Low rider said:
How about everybody who thinks they are faster than a car on the track should be required to go back to school?
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It depends on the track. There are a lot of tracks where bikes hold all the fastest times. Advanced open-wheel cars excused, there's really nothing faster than those.
 
If you have the right car, you can beat any bike.
That is my point.

Shaman said:
It depends on the track. There are a lot of tracks where bikes hold all the fastest times. Advanced open-wheel cars excused, there's really nothing faster than those.
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YouTube some Shannonville videos and find a car doing under 1:50 (fast am). Bet that car is worth $100,000.

edit: well I calculated a 1:53 on the second lap and I'm pretty sure this car is not your average grocery getter.

http://youtu.be/siiDKEi9Fy0
 
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Baggsy said:
I thought that the system for backing it in was called "Smoothness" and that ABS or not was irrelevant.
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Releasing the clutch properly, brakes don't do anything for "backing it in", at least this is my understanding and method (not that I regularly or purposely do this)
 
dricked said:
YouTube some Shannonville videos and find a car doing under 1:50 (fast am). Bet that car is worth $100,000.
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At least. To get down to 1:52 I had a car with fresh Hoosier RS3s, 502rwhp/508tq, solid-point suspension, chromoly k-frame, chromoly suspension replacements, Torsen racing diff, Alcon six piston brakes and coilovers with two-way shocks on each corner (total conversion), at 3500lbs with driver. I'd put it at $85K invested, whereas AM bikes drop into the 1:48s. 1:52 won the class and I got a 10% bonus for beating the class above me (full mod cars, one was an ex-Earnhardt stock car), fwiw.

http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Shannonville_Motorsport_Park#Typical_Lap_Times_-_Long_Track
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