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Anyone been on a boat with this ?

We were on a cruise ship in Force 11 gale and the stabilization was very impressive given the size of the waves.
Bringing that down to small craft is impressive.
 
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I remember the conversations about heating the molds . They needed quicker production and using a faster set resin was causing pre cure issues during layup , heating the molds was thrown around . In the end it was decided they knew how to control what they had , what vtyheyb needed was more molds in more facilities to keep the line rolling . Hard to imagine in thier hayday they were cranking out 5 C&C 27s a day , every day, for years . Then they werent .

Sitting in my office beside me is a C&C 50" , 7ft mast. The only RC boats ever built by C&C. Neil Gilbert of C&C made the mold based on the 41 lines. We made a fleet of about 30 boats , I know where 12 are. The mold went to the Great lakes Museum in kingston as part of the C&C display.

Thinking boats are expensive now, and they are. My 29-2 in 1984 was $34,000 , delivered into Oakville from the Niagara on the lake plant. The upgraded "race package" which got you a spinnaker and gear was another $2200. That kind of money bought a townhouse.
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The last I heard was some builders were using prepreg and autoclaves but we're talking aerospace budgets for large hulls. Where do you get a toaster oven big enough to handle a 40 foot long piece of toast?

My concern was getting even heat if the cable spacing was too great. Ripple effect where the finished product has uneven cure times. I had hoped to do a hatch as an experiment.

If Prepreg wasn't such a pita I'd make myself a new deck box lid just for snickers and giggles.
 
They are autoclaving sailboat masts , one hundred and forty ft goes into the tunnel . Never understood how much can be spent on fun sports .
Wild Oats the hundred foot Australian maxi race yacht has been spotted in Newport with newly added foils . I’m told adding foils to that boat was around a million US , but when a new maxi is twelve to fifteen, that just maintenance costs.


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Will most of these expensive toys have the gyro stabilizers built in or added??

Been watching Lobster Fishing in Tasmania and thinking how much safety that stabilization would add.
 
None of these expensive toys get gyro stabilizers , they weigh too much and affect the “go fast” . They are becoming increasingly popular on the hundred foot plus cruising boats , cost are coming down . We looked at basic system for our race committee boat , twenty six ft boat would take a thirty five K system. We decided to send out stronger stomachs on crappy days .


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crankcall said:
Sorry unless you NEED a boat , which is point zero zero zero two percent of the population, yeah it’s silly money .


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Sometimes I price things per pound just for amusement.

A Honda Goldwing costs about the same as a Fireblade. Mid $30k but the blade is half the weight ~450 vs ~850 pounds.

A friend dropped by a while back sporting a new pair of designer eye glasses. Light but not cheap they were close to the price of gold couple of years ago

Gold near $7K, Bitcoin $92K, SPF lumber ~$0.50 /Lb
 
nobbie48 said:
I liked C&C boats but couldn't afford one. I recall comparing them at a boat show ~40 years ago. I took the prices of a 25 and a ~30 footer and divided by the
displacement. The cost per pound was within a few cents.
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I have seen construction jobs quoted a similar way. Instead of a detailed takeoff where you count every square/linear foot of material needed and multiply that out to get the final price, you do it the slow way enough times to come up with a fast way that works. Depending on the trades involved, multiplying square footage or cubic footage by a rate normally gets you really close to the the detailed quote in a tiny fraction of the time (and can be quickly and easily done in your head if you want to get to a rough price during a discussion).
 
Your confusing value vs cost vs perceived value . Rolex tells time , fellow on the highway on a Goldwing gets to the next truck stop about the same time as the guy on a CBsomething , couple in a Tanzer sailboat are enjoying the same waves and wind I am on a C&C .


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MacDoc said:
Anyone been on a boat with this ?

We were on a cruise ship in Force 11 gale and the stabilization was very impressive given the size of the waves.
Bringing that down to small craft is impressive.
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I know of them. I don't think I have been on a boat that had them. The seakeeper price tag could cover a decent boat (>$25K). Like motorcycles, adding hundreds of pounds has some downsides.
 
crankcall said:
Your confusing value vs cost vs perceived value . Rolex tells time , fellow on the highway on a Goldwing gets to the next truck stop about the same time as the guy on a CBsomething , couple in a Tanzer sailboat are enjoying the same waves and wind I am on a C&C .


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I was more amused by my friend's glasses being worth their weight in gold. Life's too short to ride ugly bikes.

Paraphrasing one of the yacht design books, If a boat is beautiful enough you'll forgive all its flaws. If it's ugly you'll never stop looking for them.
 
If a boat is beautiful enough you'll forgive all its flaws. If it's ugly you'll never stop looking for them.
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Anything that ever left the Tanzer, Bayfield, Oday shops come to mind . Oh and Grampian , built down the street from the C&C shop and Ontario Yachts ( the Viking line) . Must have been the end of the street closest to the pub.
 
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If a boat is beautiful enough you'll forgive all its flaws. If it's ugly you'll never stop looking for them.
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Anything that ever left the Tanzer, Bayfield, Oday shops come to mind . Oh and Grampian , built down the street from the C&C shop and Ontario Yachts ( the Viking line) . Must have been the end of the street closest to the pub.
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Some of those I didn't mind even if they were less than svelte. The Tanzer was the dog, selling on price and interior room by looking like a cheese wedge.
 
surprising part about Tanzer both the 26 and 22 had a very minimal wetted area below the waterline so were actually pretty quick for the tubs they looked like , ironically when tanzer stopped designing his own boats , the 25 was a JN from France and the 31 was drawn by Cuthbertson of C&C. Even with new designers they managed to "Tanzerize" them . Sailed well but still not pretty.
 
Boat pricing like most toys never came down after COVID. I was fortunate and placed my order for a StarCraft 168 with a Evinrude 90 eTEC back in the winter of 2019 to be picked up in spring of 2020. I paid just under $40k at the time and did not trade in my Sylvain Explorer 1600 SC with 40HP Mercury EFI motor (glad I did not). The marina called me offering me $5k more than I paid for my boat not to pick it up - I said no way I needed the boat for spring fishing. I picked it up in the spring and shortly afterwards the lockdowns started. I eventually took my 1600 of storage in my buddies barn and put it on Kijiji and it sold within hours for $3k more than I paid for it 5 years previous.

I went to the fishing show and was sick to my stomach on the price of boats - not cruisers but standard aluminum fishing boats! Buddies that used to flip boats every 4-5 years are now just holding on to them and upgrading electronics and trolling motors.
 
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Boat pricing like most toys never came down after COVID. I was fortunate and placed my order for a StarCraft 168 with a Evinrude 90 eTEC back in the winter of 2019 to be picked up in spring of 2020. I paid just under $40k at the time and did not trade in my Sylvain Explorer 1600 SC with 40HP Mercury EFI motor (glad I did not). The marina called me offering me $5k more than I paid for my boat not to pick it up - I said no way I needed the boat for spring fishing. I picked it up in the spring and shortly afterwards the lockdowns started. I eventually took my 1600 of storage in my buddies barn and put it on Kijiji and it sold within hours for $3k more than I paid for it 5 years previous.

I went to the fishing show and was sick to my stomach on the price of boats - not cruisers but standard aluminum fishing boats! Buddies that used to flip boats every 4-5 years are now just holding on to them and upgrading electronics and trolling motors.
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A friend called the marina where he bought his I/O cottage runabout to get a value for insurance purposes. The marina said they'd give him his money back on his 5 year old boat but a new one would be close to double.
 
410001661 said:
Boat pricing like most toys never came down after COVID. I was fortunate and placed my order for a StarCraft 168 with a Evinrude 90 eTEC back in the winter of 2019 to be picked up in spring of 2020. I paid just under $40k at the time and did not trade in my Sylvain Explorer 1600 SC with 40HP Mercury EFI motor (glad I did not). The marina called me offering me $5k more than I paid for my boat not to pick it up - I said no way I needed the boat for spring fishing. I picked it up in the spring and shortly afterwards the lockdowns started. I eventually took my 1600 of storage in my buddies barn and put it on Kijiji and it sold within hours for $3k more than I paid for it 5 years previous.

I went to the fishing show and was sick to my stomach on the price of boats - not cruisers but standard aluminum fishing boats! Buddies that used to flip boats every 4-5 years are now just holding on to them and upgrading electronics and trolling motors.
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I don't know if it's my imagination but it seemed that there were a lot more boats being towed on the highways on weekends a generation ago.

#1 Condos normally don't have storage for boats and more people live in condos.

#2 Public storage isn't cheap or secure

#3 Storing at home in the GTA means a million and a half house.

#4 The tow vehicles have restrictive load limits set by the manufacturer

#5 Crap drivers
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