Mission RS: Electric Superbike of the future

[CafeRay]

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If they got that range into the 300km's and charge time in under 10 mins. That'd be the home run. Sounds like a great city bike with the low heat, noise, etc.

The laws of physics cannot move that much energy that quickly, not very safely.

They have a 240km range. How many people actually ride over 100 km frequently? For the hobby sportbike owner, the range is fine, for the commuter, the range is fine, the only issue is with touring.

Electrics work fine, and at the TT, they are bloody fast. The only real issue right now is cost. They need to be much cheaper.

The Brammo Empulse R is $19K, with US federal credits of $1900. Still too much when the equivalent gas bike is about $7K.

But, these bikes are all made in the US, with small numbers, if they made gas bikes with US labor and small numbers, they would have to ask $25-30K.

In the last 5 years, a lot has happened, there is more racing, there are more bikes, considering there was nothing 6-8 years ago, things have come a long way, very fast.

I think the sleeper is China -they have already banned gas vehicles in some urban centres.

 

[-Maverick-]

Theoretically, anything that turns / rotates can be made able to charge itself via an alternator / generator. Apply that premise onto the wheels of this bike and it should be able to go non-stop till the wheels fall off. Now that's innovative..sort of

 

[yammyr6]

About the same point as 150ish sports bikes for public roads.

This is from another thread on this bike, but Jay Leno tried one, and bought it.

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Well no, Most SS are close to 100lbs lighter.... 100lbs..

Plus there are lots of idiots that like to go above 120mph..

Jay bought one because, well he's Jay Leno.

 

[CafeRay]

Theoretically, anything that turns / rotates can be made able to charge itself via an alternator / generator. Apply that premise onto the wheels of this bike and it should be able to go non-stop till the wheels fall off. Now that's innovative..sort of

There is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine. There are rumors Ducati is looking at a KERS system for the Panigale that would capture kinetic energy to a capacitor and provide a 30hp boost to the low-mid range via an electric motor.

 

[Jock Macdonald]

Looks badazz to me

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I would certainly try it out. Would be an awesome commuter. With popularity comes the economies of scale. Could easily go below $15k list. Compare computer prices then and now for example.

Jock

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Here's some noise from the Isle of Mann TT zero in 2013.

One huge advantage to less noise is the cops won't know where to look.

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I actually had trouble shooting the TTX GP at Mosport, back in 2010, because I'm used to hearing the bikes coming. During the Friday practise I could only hear one of them coming. When I talked to that group they told me that their two motors were slightly out of sync, so that was what I was hearing. The next day I couldn't hear any of them, until they were almost on top of me.

I would certainly consider an electric motorcycle, but it would have to meet a few criteria first. It would have to be able to do a real world 200 Km on the highway, at real highway speeds. The batteries would have to be warrantied for at least 5 years and hopefully more like 10. The batteries would also have to hold most of their rated charge down to zero degrees C. As a photographer I know how cold effects batteries.

 

[CafeRay]

It would have to be able to do a real world 200 Km on the highway, at real highway speeds. The batteries would have to be warrantied for at least 5 years and hopefully more like 10. The batteries would also have to hold most of their rated charge down to zero degrees C. As a photographer I know how cold effects batteries.

I fail to see the point of a 200km/hr bike for public roads, especially when "real highways speeds" are 120 km/hr, after that, your busted. Top speed values on vehicles are meaningless.
Modern batteries in electric cars have warming routines to avoid the temp loss effect, but there is hardly a point in this when it is unsafe to ride a bike below zero.

 

[nfq]

I fail to see the point of a 200km/hr bike for public roads, especially when "real highways speeds" are 120 km/hr, after that, your busted. Top speed values on vehicles are meaningless.
Modern batteries in electric cars have warming routines to avoid the temp loss effect, but there is hardly a point in this when it is unsafe to ride a bike below zero.

I think he meant RANGE of 200 KM's, not speed.
And if you've ever ridden a motorcycle in a Canadian Spring or Autumn, it gets pretty chilly overnight that could do something interesting with batteries.

 

[CafeRay]

I think he meant RANGE of 200 KM's, not speed.
And if you've ever ridden a motorcycle in a Canadian Spring or Autumn, it gets pretty chilly overnight that could do something interesting with batteries.

The range of the Mission R is already beyond 200km, with a 240km/hr top speed.

The batteries are warmed while plugged in -they are kept at 25C. but, you have to keep the bike plugged in.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I think he meant RANGE of 200 KM's, not speed.
And if you've ever ridden a motorcycle in a Canadian Spring or Autumn, it gets pretty chilly overnight that could do something interesting with batteries.

You're correct. I was talking range, not speed. Getting 200 Km on a charge, at highway speed, would make such a bike a practical commuter for me.

The range of the Mission R is already beyond 200km, with a 240km/hr top speed.

The batteries are warmed while plugged in -they are kept at 25C. but, you have to keep the bike plugged in.

That's a maximum of 240 Kmh *OR* a maximum range of 200 Kmh. Range drops significantly with speed. I keep meaning to take a test ride on a Zero but given that it's current range at highway speed is something like 140 Km, it isn't practical for me.

 

[cool]

The range of the Mission R is already beyond 200km, with a 240km/hr top speed.

The batteries are warmed while plugged in -they are kept at 25C. but, you have to keep the bike plugged in.

You must have reading comprehension. Go read on mission R again.

 

[CafeRay]

You must have reading comprehension. Go read on mission R again.

"Top speed: 140+mph" (224km/hr)
"real world range, 120 miles" (193kms)
or with the larger battery, "Real world range, 140miles" (224kms).

Need more help?

 

[Rob MacLennan]

"Top speed: 140+mph" (224km/hr)
"real world range, 120 miles" (193kms)
or with the larger battery, "Real world range, 140miles" (224kms).

Need more help?

"Real world range" is typically rated at speeds under 50 MPH. Sometimes as low as 35. If you're a heavy highway user, then that's unrealistic.

 

[CafeRay]

"Real world range" is typically rated at speeds under 50 MPH. Sometimes as low as 35. If you're a heavy highway user, then that's unrealistic.

"Mission Motorcycles says the 17 kWh bike is capable of 140 miles of mixed riding (50/50 city and highway riding at 70 mph), while the 15 kWh and 12 kWh bikes are rated at 120 miles and 102 miles, respectively. Of course if previous mileage claims from EV manufacturers are any indication, real world mileage will vary — especially with pure highway riding."

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2014-mission-motorcycles-mission-r/

Any mileage numbers will vary on any vehicle, the added factor for EVs is the variable amount of regenerative braking. They do better up and down hills. Brammo is the only manufacturer to date with a 6 speed transmission, although all reviews I've read comment they really only need two gears, one for city, one for highway.

 

[ravensix]

That is pretty sweet, But what happens to the whole.. " Loud pipes saves lives"

That thing so quiet people are going to have a hard time knowing your even around

 

[mmmnaked]

Looks incredible, I'd buy one.

 

[Flywheel]

That is pretty sweet, But what happens to the whole.. " Loud pipes saves lives"

That thing so quiet people are going to have a hard time knowing your even around

Engineers have considered this problem. From the internet:

"Without an internal combustion engine, the Nissan Leaf electric vehicle could operate in near silence. That’s why Nissan has equipped each Leaf with a very unique safety feature: a synthesizer that emits noise to alert pedestrians to the vehicle’s approach.

Maryland Nissan Dealers said that Nissan didn’t just slap a noise maker on this crucial new product. Instead, engineers developed a system that would emit a distinctive spectrum of high and low notes.

“It’s not loud but it’s distinct enough that you can hear it sooner than you would a gasoline-powered engine,” said Tsuyoshi Kanuma, manager of the Nissan’s noise and vibration engineering group."

So it looks like we're going to be stuck with traffic noise, not to mention the idiotic synthesizer equivalents of the straight pipe or slip on. Hooray.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

People also seem to discount the use of a relatively new development, in motor vehicles, that's called a "horn."

 

[Venom01]

I'd give'er

This is my signature

 

[nfq]

120 miles, about the same range as a Twin Superbike. difference is it takes an hr to recharge....

get that charging time down into under 10 mins, and I'll take one tomorrow.

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