Looks like Photo Radar is coming back..!

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fastar1 said:
Why do I get the feeling that if Wynne were to come up with a bill forbidding municipalities from deploying photo radar (exactly the opposite of what this bill does), you'd be complaining about that instead?
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Me and be against a bill banning a photo radar?? It must be the coming winter messing up with your judgement or the recent time change?

I disagree with any sort of a photo radar in principal (Especially in this province which continuously chooses to look the other way and keeps repeating the same falsehood how they are concerned about safety; speed is only what they have on the mind ...). It just monitors relentlessly one tiny element of the safety pie in general. The obsession with "speed kills" mantra just continues in Ontario .... I guess at some point, we will all be given bicycles in GTA to move around, because surely we cannot speed on those or at least I cannot.

I am also guessing that the same officials cannot wait for the speed governed driver less cars. Their dream coming true .... They will be disappointed though from the revenue standpoint ... :-(
 
Didn't mean an outright ban, just banning cities from using it. Wouldn't it be hypocritical for the province to ban it for others but not itself? This is the opposite, they're allowing cities to use photo radar if they want and keeping the option open (without actually deploying it) for themselves.

When we see photo radar installations in the near future, it will be for that given city to justify its use, not the province.
 
let's go 1 better
everyone in Ontario or 416 (like they did with the extra fee for 416 plate renewals)

They install the ODB2 dongle in your car along with the GPS function, then when you speed they know when and where and they simply send you a bill.
Even better, you get a 10% discount if you are on electronic instant payment plan.
 
-D- said:
let's go 1 better
everyone in Ontario or 416 (like they did with the extra fee for 416 plate renewals)

They install the ODB2 dongle in your car along with the GPS function, then when you speed they know when and where and they simply send you a bill.
Even better, you get a 10% discount if you are on electronic instant payment plan.
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407 billing could do that right now. They have time and location when you get on & off. Easy to calculate average speed. If it's over 105, bam you've got a ticket. Might have some impact on useage and toll revenues, so probably won't happen.
 
Face said:
407 billing could do that right now. They have time and location when you get on & off. Easy to calculate average speed. If it's over 105, bam you've got a ticket. Might have some impact on useage and toll revenues, so probably won't happen.
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Who does 100 kms on any of the 400`s.??? My Grandfather could do that in his wheelchair on the motorways in the UK. Lol.
 
Isn't is ironic earlier this year municipalities were looking to reduce speed limits and now we have this.

I've got 5 kids. All walk to school.

I still think this is a government boondoggle.

I say is again. If there is a problem with aggressive driving and speed, have enforcement and ticket them accordingly.

The message will be received and the idiots will stop.




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Face said:
407 billing could do that right now. They have time and location when you get on & off. Easy to calculate average speed. If it's over 105, bam you've got a ticket. Might have some impact on useage and toll revenues, so probably won't happen.
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Right, I remember saying that to myself a long time ago.
Here is your speeding ticket at the end, lol

So then it is NOT about speeding and public safety...speed saves time according to the 407, lol
 
nakkers said:
Isn't is ironic earlier this year municipalities were looking to reduce speed limits and now we have this.

I've got 5 kids. All walk through school.

I still think this is a government boondoggle.

I say is again. If there is a problem with aggressive driving and speed, have enforcement and ticket them accordingly.

The message will be received and the idiots will stop.


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careful, someone might report you :lmao:
 
fastar1 said:
Didn't mean an outright ban, just banning cities from using it. Wouldn't it be hypocritical for the province to ban it for others but not itself? This is the opposite, they're allowing cities to use photo radar if they want and keeping the option open (without actually deploying it) for themselves.

When we see photo radar installations in the near future, it will be for that given city to justify its use, not the province.
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To me it's kind of obvious that Wynn is going this route ... voters cannot really hurt parties due to bad municipal laws or decisions, but they surely can the other way around. She knows damn well what has happened last time photo radar became a provincial thing. She's trying to have it both ways .... please the liberal voters who like the government to tell them how to breath and have a defense when someone will claim that "Liberals brought the photo radar back .." I am sure it will work on most voting public ... unfortunately.
 
We basically agree. But when the Conservatives get into power do you think they will repeal the law? I doubt there will be much public pressure from either the left or right for the province to make cities do what it wants, 'meddling' with their affairs.
 
No way they will and that's the problem. The silly laws stay these days forever .... well, until provincial Trump shows up on our shores, who will be willing to drain the liberal swamp ... LOL ... I can't believe I just wrote that.
 
mxs said:
No way they will and that's the problem. The silly laws stay these days forever .... well, until provincial Trump shows up on our shores, who will be willing to drain the liberal swamp ... LOL ... I can't believe I just wrote that.
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I think it will depend on mid election polling; maybe.

If the Libs are ahead again, and the conservatives (maybe even the NDP) need a boost, it's easy votes won. Just call it what it is (cash grab) and most anyone with a car will vote for you to get it out.
 
Govt does not like to give back things that make them money.
They will likely leave the radar and say it's up to THAT municipality to make the decision.
 
They'll just rewrite the legislation to be an "administrative fee". A toll for passing by an arbitrary toll location whose magnitude is dependent on the speed that you pass it.

FWIW it appears from this past weekend that rural and village speed limits in Caledon have been dropped by 10 km/h across the board except for main thoroughfares and village speed limits that were already at 40 km/h. I'm not sure what particular risk was presented by the heavy traffic (!) on Creditview Road (for example) that warranted dropping the speed limit to 70 km/h (and 40 km/h through Cheltenham) ... The 40 zone through Cheltenham will be a magnet for a photo radar installation given the steep hill descending into the village from either direction.
 
Solution: obscuring plates. :)
 
Brian P said:
They'll just rewrite the legislation to be an "administrative fee". A toll for passing by an arbitrary toll location whose magnitude is dependent on the speed that you pass it.

FWIW it appears from this past weekend that rural and village speed limits in Caledon have been dropped by 10 km/h across the board except for main thoroughfares and village speed limits that were already at 40 km/h. I'm not sure what particular risk was presented by the heavy traffic (!) on Creditview Road (for example) that warranted dropping the speed limit to 70 km/h (and 40 km/h through Cheltenham) ... The 40 zone through Cheltenham will be a magnet for a photo radar installation given the steep hill descending into the village from either direction.
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https://www.caledon.ca/en/townhall/speed-limits.asp
 
They refer to an engineering study that was supposedly done to implement this.

Whatever methodology they used, was out to lunch - it's certainly not based on the 85th-percentile speed - or if it claims to, they must have measured it in a snow storm.
 
Brian P said:
They refer to an engineering study that was supposedly done to implement this.

Whatever methodology they used, was out to lunch - it's certainly not based on the 85th-percentile speed - or if it claims to, they must have measured it in a snow storm.
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If you really want to read the engineering report, I tracked it down. Its Appendix F ( starting on page 58 ) of the December 2015 staff report.

http://www.caledon.ca/en/townhall/resources/PW-2015-085.pdf
 
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