Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

[Rob MacLennan]

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As if that wasn't bad enough, Global News has revealed that over 100 inmates have been improperly released from prisons since 2021.

Dozens of inmates released from Ontario jails every year because of ‘errors or oversight’ | Globalnews.ca

The corrections system is regularly making "errors" in who it releases from overcrowded and understaffed jails. The government insists a capacity crisis is not the issue.

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[nobbie48]

I'd like to see someone make a Charter challenge based on the fact that they just increased the ability to hold more people, for more time, rather than improve the Charter Right to trial within reasonable time.

What peeves me is the victim's rights to resolution being flushed down the toilet.

 

[nobbie48]

It's a housing crisis that is causing what we're seeing. Sure, grab them and lock them up for 24-72hrs and then they come right back out into what they were already in. Hopelessness and homelessness. We need to focus on housing first. It's proven time and time again that when given the choice, most people will choose a home and stability. I'm not saying 100% will come out the addiction.

It's interesting how in the business world, they focus so much on root cause analysis. But when it comes to society, we just let people rot in the streets instead of focusing on the root cause of why they're there in the first place.

And, how can you expect them to do something in privacy when they have no private place?

Is there a housing shortage or a shortage of personal money to buy a house?

The issues, consumerized brain washing, entitlement, education, psychology, expectations etc are too large to fit on this forum but are being debated on the equivalent of bumper stickers.

 

[Gaoler]

And how short staffed are you guys? It's easy to build new jails, but it's a challenge to just staff the ones we already have.

Let me put it this way...
There are many days when everyone in my working group is on overtime.
Most days at least half of us are.
There are frequent lockdowns and cancelations of programs due to staffing shortages.
Part of the problem these days isnt just not hiring enogh people.
It's also partly due to absences due to injury and other workplace incidents.

 

[Dirty Frank]

What would you like them to do?

A little Discretion perhaps, standing on a crowded sidewalk on main street and proudly puffing away on your meth pipe is inappropriate behaviour regardless of your station in life.
Acting out like that should earn you a time out to evaluate your decisions. IMO.

 

[410001661]

Interesting crime statistic in lieu of the shooting in Hamilton my a 14yr old

Quality of life indicator: Crime Severity Index

 

[Rob MacLennan]

If I'm reading that correctly it would jibe with my instinct that while violent crime itself is decreasing, the severity of those violent crimes is increasing.

 

[Glenn/RZ500]

Interesting crime statistic in lieu of the shooting in Hamilton my a 14yr old

View attachment 78512Quality of life indicator: Crime Severity Index

Running like a well oiled machine, crashing by design. With every system in decline, does anyone actually expect any improvement?

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Running like a well oiled machine, crashing by design. With every system in decline, does anyone actually expect any improvement?

Yes.

* once we get fed up enough to take matters into our own hands.

 

[Dirty Frank]

If I'm reading that correctly it would jibe with my instinct that while violent crime itself is decreasing, the severity of those violent crimes is increasing.

That or it could do with people being so underwhelmed with police action when reporting crime and therefore not bothering to waste their time making the report anymore.
Police policies that produce favourable optics when reporting crime statistics in the year end report.
TPS is apparently embracing this brave new policing model.

 

[backmarkerducati]

It is like the studies that find crime rates initially go up but then eventually go down near drug injection sites. Crime rates going down or people giving up and crime reporting has gone down?

 

[Mikedezo44]

edit double post. please delete

 

[nobbie48]

Running like a well oiled machine, crashing by design. With every system in decline, does anyone actually expect any improvement?

The entitled expect improvement in others.

 

[nobbie48]

That or it could do with people being so underwhelmed with police action when reporting crime and therefore not bothering to waste their time making the report anymore.
Police policies that produce favourable optics when reporting crime statistics in the year end report.
TPS is apparently embracing this brave new policing model.

I wonder if our police services are on a covert work-to-rule system.

Why bust your arse rushing to a crime scene, risking collisions, nabbing the criminal while sustaining minor injuries only to see the punks back on the street the next morning?

Isn't the court system the problem? We keep voting them in (indirectly).

Aren't we the problem?

 

[GreyGhost]

I wonder if our police services are on a covert work-to-rule system.

Why bust your arse rushing to a crime scene, risking collisions, nabbing the criminal while sustaining minor injuries only to see the punks back on the street the next morning?

Isn't the court system the problem? We keep voting them in (indirectly).

Aren't we the problem?

While I have many issues with police, it has to be so painful for them when they spend more hours doing paperwork on a crime than the criminal spends locked up. I think the courts are a much larger problem than the police.

 

[410001661]

I wonder if our police services are on a covert work-to-rule system.

Why bust your arse rushing to a crime scene, risking collisions, nabbing the criminal while sustaining minor injuries only to see the punks back on the street the next morning?

Isn't the court system the problem? We keep voting them in (indirectly).

Aren't we the problem?

Plus we see judges offering lenient sentencing because of the colour of ones skin, or the god they worship. We need mandatory minimums as the judicial system has really failed Canada.

 

[Dirty Frank]

I wonder if our police services are on a covert work-to-rule system.

Why bust your arse rushing to a crime scene, risking collisions, nabbing the criminal while sustaining minor injuries only to see the punks back on the street the next morning?

Isn't the court system the problem? We keep voting them in (indirectly).

Aren't we the problem?

No the police work to rule go to move is to only issue PON's when it suits them.
The action that that i was referring to starts at the communicator level, where calls that they judge to be non emergency are left on hold for extended times and then when dealt with they offer making an on line report or a service call several hours later or on the next shift.
Then when the police actually arrive they act like you are wasting their time, do the minimum that they can and leave as quickly as possible
and do not offer any follow up.
The whole experience is geared to give the victim or complainant the impression that calling the police for anything that is not life threatening or very serious is a waste of time.

 

[GreyGhost]

No the police work to rule go to move is to only issue PON's when it suits them.
The action that that i was referring to starts at the communicator level, where calls that they judge to be non emergency are left on hold for extended times and then when dealt with they offer making an on line report or a service call several hours later or on the next shift.
Then when the police actually arrive they act like you are wasting their time, do the minimum that they can and leave as quickly as possible
and do not offer any follow up.
The whole experience is geared to give the victim or complainant the impression that calling the police for anything that is not life threatening or very serious is a waste of time.

Barrie police have openly said they don't do property crime anymore. You can file a report and they will give you a file number. This happens even when you identify the dirtbag. That is the extent of their involvement. Why bother filing reports when all it does is waste your time? The police may have the same feeling as property crime has a zero percent chance of incarceration and any fines won't be paid so there is no upside to the arrest.

EDIT:
An observation from a member of the public in Barrie today:
"Just watched 2 police cars (425 @ 4S2) deal with a person at 17 Sophia (empty field). The guy was in the back off the car and the cops had all of his belongings on the hood, 3 pill bottles and other things. I watched the cop from car 4S2 open the first bottle and fling out a bunch of pills (?) and the other 2 bottles pour out white powder. Have the guy his stuff back and let him go.
Is this the norm now, dump and release?"

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I wonder if our police services are on a covert work-to-rule system.

You have doubt?

 

[Gaoler]

If society was more civil we wouldn't need so much policing...
Im sure lots of GTAMers can remember when our cops all carried S&W model 10s loaded with six rounds and a couple speed loaders on their belt. a set of 'cuffs and maybe a night stick/baton... and NO body armor.
Nowadays they hit the street dressed like soldiers, armed to the teeth.
Semi auto pistols loaded with 15-18 rounds, minimum 2 extra pistol mags, taser, 2-3 30 rounds mags for the rifle stowed in the front seat of their car and... Probably a 12ga. Shotgun too...

What changed?

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