You can absolutely have your license revoked for things like being in breach of the terms of your license, diversion of product to "illicit outlets", and the like. That it wasn't done in this case is stupid.
Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....
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That really doesn't happen unless they have them dead-bang.
Just the fact it's happening before convictions... is progress. We all know things happen in court cases.. technicalities, breaches of process, rights, , etc.. so I wouldn't consider any case to be "dead bang" until it's over.
Especially where cops are on trial. There seems to be an exceedingly high error rate giving them a walk. No consequences for the cops that tank the cases though. Probably speeds a promotion along.
Cough<Mahoney-Bruer>Cough!
Pretty sure YRP's conviction rate of cops charged with DUI is less than zero.
Dirty Frank
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How many other jurisdiction have publicly admitted this?
The amount of decline in public order that i have witnessed in my life. Damn.
'This is bonkers' — Windsor police say they can't arrest for open drug use in public
The amount of decline in public order that i have witnessed in my life. Damn.
'This is bonkers' — Windsor police say they can't arrest for open drug use in public
What would you like them to do?
The "why" is what needs to fixed here. Why are people openly doing drugs? Because they're homeless and hopeless. So either we can lock them all up and pay to house them in jail, or we can pay to create actual housing for them.
Dirty Frank
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Perhaps I'm not understanding the point that you are trying to make but simply throwing up your hands and saying that we need to address the root causes of poor behaviour rather than taking corrective action in real time is BS
Snatching them up and giving them a 24 to 72 hour time out in a holding cell would curb the lackadaisical attitude towards keeping things that should be kept private private.
Yeah, ideally you can do both at the same time. One issue is that we seems so stuck on punitive action, that addressing root causes gets left by the wayside.
Douggie is working on spending billions on new jails. 80% of those in jail are awaiting trial. Like his buddy Carney, when he has a choice to spend money to make things better (ie fund courts to get trials done quickly) or transfer money to family and friends, he chooses grift 100% of the time.
I'd like to see someone make a Charter challenge based on the fact that they just increased the ability to hold more people, for more time, rather than improve the Charter Right to trial within reasonable time.
I don't know if that goes anywhere. Douggie's team argues that additional capacity is for post-conviction incarceration. Nothing he does can stretch out the timeframe. Storing more people until you drop the cases by blowing the timeframe is a huge waste of money but I'm not sure it's a charter violation anymore than storing a single person for 18-30 months before trial. Let's be honest, most cases only have a few days/weeks of work attached to them and the rest of the time is waiting for court (prosecutors, court rooms, judges, clerks, etc) to proceed.
The price for jails seems nuts even for a public project where nobody cares about the bill (well taxpayers care but they have no input). Thunder Bay is 345 beds for $1.2B (budgeted, it will probably blow past). That is $3.5M/bed in capital costs. The mind boggles.
Dirty Frank
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That cat got out of the bag way back in the 80's when our government thought that a good cost cutting move would be closing the mental health facilities and transitioning folks that required around the clock care to "rest homes".
That increased the wealth of a few and the misery of many with a cost to society in general.
Gaoler
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Oh my...
People would **** a brick if they knew how much money goes into just retro fits of existing correctional facilities.
And then there are the multi million dollar retro fits that are never complety finished and the ones that just dont work or break down all the time.
And how short staffed are you guys? It's easy to build new jails, but it's a challenge to just staff the ones we already have.
It's a housing crisis that is causing what we're seeing. Sure, grab them and lock them up for 24-72hrs and then they come right back out into what they were already in. Hopelessness and homelessness. We need to focus on housing first. It's proven time and time again that when given the choice, most people will choose a home and stability. I'm not saying 100% will come out the addiction.
It's interesting how in the business world, they focus so much on root cause analysis. But when it comes to society, we just let people rot in the streets instead of focusing on the root cause of why they're there in the first place.
And, how can you expect them to do something in privacy when they have no private place?
