Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.4%
  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.2%
  • I like turtles

    Votes: 57 50.4%

  • Total voters
    113
It reminds me of a conversation I had with a lady from Nigeria.

She couldn't believe media presence at violent events here.

In Canada a reporter is standing in front of a violent event, guns going off as the reporter says "Behind me a swat team is engaging an armed shooter...."

In Nigeria the reporter is saying "Three miles behind me and a mile to the west a swat team is engaging an armed shooter..."
I will say this: The residents who are laughing and commenting, within a literal stone's throw of a firearms event, are absolute morons. i just measured the distance on Google Maps. It's a whopping 160 feet (80m). I can't make out what he's using and haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but if it's a long gun, of any sort, they're easily in threat range. Hell, my .44 cal lever is bloody dangerous at that distance.
 
Here's a fun read about fences. Wendy Eller is my first cousin. They figure it cost about 100K and the fence is back where it started.


That sucks. It's really hard to win adverse possession in most of Ontario now. The vast majority of land is in the registry with extents. Adverse possession apparently can't update the registry. There is some land in the far north that is not well documented and squatters rights have a chance.
 
I will say this: The residents who are laughing and commenting, within a literal stone's throw of a firearms event, are absolute morons. i just measured the distance on Google Maps. It's a whopping 160 feet (80m). I can't make out what he's using and haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but if it's a long gun, of any sort, they're easily in threat range. Hell, my .44 cal lever is bloody dangerous at that distance.
There are numerous YouTube videos demonstrating the number of layers of drywall a slug can penetrate.
 
I will say this: The residents who are laughing and commenting, within a literal stone's throw of a firearms event, are absolute morons. i just measured the distance on Google Maps. It's a whopping 160 feet (80m). I can't make out what he's using and haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but if it's a long gun, of any sort, they're easily in threat range. Hell, my .44 cal lever is bloody dangerous at that distance.

He's well known in town. Bylaw asked the cops for backup when they went to serve him because they knew there was going to be an escalation. The surrounding residents on First, Second, Third, and Plymouth are all fed up with having to deal with the ongoing drama from him. They want to see him gone.
 
He's well known in town. Bylaw asked the cops for backup when they went to serve him because they knew there was going to be an escalation. The surrounding residents on First, Second, Third, and Plymouth are all fed up with having to deal with the ongoing drama from him. They want to see him gone.
They probably get their wish. The combo of shooting a cop and fotl crap in court should ensure he is gone for a long time. But then time he gets put, there's a good chance someone (mortgage holder, town, etc) has taken action against his property.
 
They probably get their wish. The combo of shooting a cop and fotl crap in court should ensure he is gone for a long time. But then time he gets put, there's a good chance someone (mortgage holder, town, etc) has taken action against his property.
He was determined, getting shot for his efforts.

"Police had been negotiating with the man overnight. They deployed tactical operations throughout the negotiation in which they sent remote cameras into the former church-turned-residence. In all instances, police said, the remote cameras were fired upon by Tronko and disabled, "demonstrating a disregard for public and officer safety."

The guy is 59 YO. Will 10-15 years of lockup make a difference?
 
He was determined, getting shot for his efforts.

"Police had been negotiating with the man overnight. They deployed tactical operations throughout the negotiation in which they sent remote cameras into the former church-turned-residence. In all instances, police said, the remote cameras were fired upon by Tronko and disabled, "demonstrating a disregard for public and officer safety."

The guy is 59 YO. Will 10-15 years of lockup make a difference?
It will be years before his trial. Attempted murder can get you life in prison. Shooting a cop probably gets you close to the max. I don't know if Canada is doing consecutive sentences yet or if we are still stuck with the concurrent stupidity. He will have a long list of other charges that will be hard to beat. I doubt he is alive when he leaves jail.

The fotl crap will annoy the courts. Does that increase sentencing as he will reiterate that he did nothing wrong and would do it again? Has fotl ever won a not mentally competent defence? I suspect he'd rather go to jail than admit that he thinks he lives in an alternate reality.
 
It will be years before his trial. Attempted murder can get you life in prison. Shooting a cop probably gets you close to the max. I don't know if Canada is doing consecutive sentences yet or if we are still stuck with the concurrent stupidity. He will have a long list of other charges that will be hard to beat. I doubt he is alive when he leaves jail.

The fotl crap will annoy the courts. Does that increase sentencing as he will reiterate that he did nothing wrong and would do it again? Has fotl ever won a not mentally competent defence? I suspect he'd rather go to jail than admit that he thinks he lives in an alternate reality.
Fotl types are IMO, delusional. Their rhetoric about laws and definitions are based on non-existent books and laws. Talking to them is a waste of time. My B-I-L tried it once.

If you ask them for their sources they counter with other unpublished or disputed books. Circular argument.
 
Fotl types are IMO, delusional. Their rhetoric about laws and definitions are based on non-existent books and laws. Talking to them is a waste of time. My B-I-L tried it once.

If you ask them for their sources they counter with other unpublished or disputed books. Circular argument.
The Meads case in Alberta was a divorce case where the judge laid out a framework for dealing with OPCA (Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Argument eg Freeman on the land, sovereign citizen, moor, etc). No need to get in circular arguments. Let the courts apply the framework they have in place.


 
It will be years before his trial. Attempted murder can get you life in prison. Shooting a cop probably gets you close to the max. I don't know if Canada is doing consecutive sentences yet or if we are still stuck with the concurrent stupidity. He will have a long list of other charges that will be hard to beat. I doubt he is alive when he leaves jail.

The fotl crap will annoy the courts. Does that increase sentencing as he will reiterate that he did nothing wrong and would do it again? Has fotl ever won a not mentally competent defence? I suspect he'd rather go to jail than admit that he thinks he lives in an alternate reality.
Consecutive sentences are a thing, but extremely rare.

Given his proclivities I doubt this is his first serious infraction, so he's going to do serious time.
 
Given his proclivities I doubt this is his first serious infraction, so he's going to do serious time.

Doubt.

He'll get sent for a 30 day assessment, get diagnosed with one or more mental health problems which will significantly mitigate his criminal responsibility in this case.
On top of that, come sentencing, his lawyer will argue that the less than 5 star conditions at NDC or HWDC should be worth a discount on sentence too.
 
He'll get sent for a 30 day assessment, get diagnosed with one or more mental health problems which will significantly mitigate his criminal responsibility in this case.
That's one of the big problems with our current system. If the argument is you aren't criminally responsible because of mental health issues and we have close to a zero percent solve rate on mental health issues, you should be confined to a mental institution for a minimum of the criminal sentence you dodged. Dodging criminal culpability and being back on the street shortly to re-offend is offensive to everyone but the offender.
 
He'll get sent for a 30 day assessment, get diagnosed with one or more mental health problems which will significantly mitigate his criminal responsibility in this case.

I'm guessing the cross dressing will come into play
 
That's one of the big problems with our current system. If the argument is you aren't criminally responsible because of mental health issues and we have close to a zero percent solve rate on mental health issues, you should be confined to a mental institution for a minimum of the criminal sentence you dodged. Dodging criminal culpability and being back on the street shortly to re-offend is offensive to everyone but the offender.
NCR findings are insignificant, in overall stats.
 
NCR findings are insignificant, in overall stats.
While being a small percentage, that doesn't remove the lifelong impacts they impose on victims after release as their mental health issues are deemed resolved. Being a small percentage, that also makes it easy to implement as you don't need to immediately create many many spaces for them..
 
Doubt.

He'll get sent for a 30 day assessment, get diagnosed with one or more mental health problems which will significantly mitigate his criminal responsibility in this case.
On top of that, come sentencing, his lawyer will argue that the less than 5 star conditions at NDC or HWDC should be worth a discount on sentence too.
There's a problem when punishment is grounds for being too punishing.
 
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