Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.4%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.2%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 57 50.4%
  • Total voters
    113
GreyGhost said:
Another dui cop escapes criminal consequences due to charter violations by his fellow officers. That crap should put the other officers in front of the disciplinary board to explain whether they are corrupt or just incompetent.

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It depends on the circumstances. If it was an unforeseen procedural issue then nothing should happen. That sort of thing comes up all the time. If they screwed up then a notation should be made in their files, that will affect future promotions and raises. If they "spiked the ball" for a buddy then they should face a review panel, just like the guy who was originally charged.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
It depends on the circumstances. If it was an unforeseen procedural issue then nothing should happen. That sort of thing comes up all the time. If they screwed up then a notation should be made in their files, that will affect future promotions and raises. If they "spiked the ball" for a buddy then they should face a review panel, just like the guy who was originally charged.
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He crashed, was arrested and taken back to the station where he blew way over. Defense in court argued breath samples were an illegal search and won. It sounds like a straight forward dui. I would be shocked if it was accidental.
 
GreyGhost said:
He crashed, was arrested and taken back to the station where he blew way over. Defense in court argued breath samples were an illegal search and won. It sounds like a straight forward dui. I would be shocked if it was accidental.
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I'm wondering why it's considered an unlawful search and why The Crown just folded on it. A little more information would be nice.
 
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GreyGhost said:
He crashed, was arrested and taken back to the station where he blew way over. Defense in court argued breath samples were an illegal search and won. It sounds like a straight forward dui. I would be shocked if it was accidental.
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The sad truth is that in most jurisdictions a private citizen with the means and the right attorney can buy a similar resolution for a impaired driving charge.
This one involving a cop just got more light shone on it.
 
Dirty Frank said:
The sad truth is that in most jurisdictions a private citizen with the means and the right attorney can buy a similar resolution for a impaired driving charge.
This one involving a cop just got more light shone on it.
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That's a bigger problem. If the cops being paid well over 100K can't take a sample without violating charter rights, there needs to be a wholesale house cleaning starting with everyone that trained them and those in power that didn't fire them for inability to do the job they were hired for.
 
GreyGhost said:
That's a bigger problem. If the cops being paid well over 100K can't take a sample without violating charter rights, there needs to be a wholesale house cleaning starting with everyone that trained them and those in power that didn't fire them for inability to do the job they were hired for.
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I'm imagining that it's something like they failed to "caution" him, ie. what the Americans would call "reading him his rights." Seems superfluous to do it for a cop, but letter of the law and all that.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I'm imagining that it's something like they failed to "caution" him, ie. what the Americans would call "reading him his rights." Seems superfluous to do it for a cop, but letter of the law and all that.
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Still should be major consequences. They had one job. They are highly paid to do it. If they can't do it (because of corruption or incompetence) they need to be canned.
 
GreyGhost said:
Still should be major consequences. They had one job. They are highly paid to do it. If they can't do it (because of corruption or incompetence) they need to be canned.
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If it's incompetence, they need "retraining" and a mark on their records. If it's corruption, they need charges.
 
GreyGhost said:
That's a bigger problem. If the cops being paid well over 100K can't take a sample without violating charter rights, there needs to be a wholesale house cleaning starting with everyone that trained them and those in power that didn't fire them for inability to do the job they were hired for.
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IMO the problem is a common thread stitching our legal and political system together.

You don't get to the top by being the right person for the job. You get there by outmaneuvering the others with photo ops, imagery and favours. You always walk away with clean hands. Competence has nothing to do with it. He looks nice so I'll vote for him. He promises.

If you take one for the Gipper a reward appears as soon as the screw-up fades. Upper management doesn't like to admit mistakes so cover for them and get reassigned until the names are forgotten. Suddenly you're running a new department.

When the issue can't be swept under the rug it's before the courts so no comment. Better still we're going to study it for a long time. long enough that someone else's crap loses its stink.

TBH, police officers are between a rock and a hard place. There are always grey areas and if you were a cop would you want to offend another cop that might some day, be in a position to affect your life? Show up a bit late while a punk is punching you out or testifying in an excessive force trial that "Yeah, he did kick him a bit harder than needed" Maybe you ratted on his best buddy.

Social media doesn't help. If you think HTA 172 is bad, look at what social media can do when someone is erroneously accused of a sex or pedo crime.
 
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