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Hockey players acquitted
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Mad Mike
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Could? 80% of team Canada Jrs have a median or better career. That’s between $3m and 100m in career earnings.
You bet their futures were ruined. They are 27 and have been out of the career development and playing window that would let them realize that opportunity.
Not true. Pro hockey is a continuum of development and experience. Teams aren’t interested in spending the time, money and resources on developing a 27 year old when there are legions of 18 year olds on their rosters.
I sort of agree. In a case that was prosecuted with near zero chance of conviction, the goals seem to be retribution and I don’t see that as something that is deserved.
I’d rather the public know you can’t maliciously take down or defame anyone anonymously.
Glenn/RZ500
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Ever see any Dancing Bear, women`s stag videos?.................`Nuff said.
Gaoler
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As an aside, I find it sickening when people want the government to punish others for behaviour that may go against their personal morals but doesn't break any laws. Read 1984 by George Orwell. You are taking the next steps to make that happen.
Point. 1: I think it's wrong to drive 45–50 km/h in a 50 zone, but I respect your right to do so and won’t complain—at least not out loud. I realize I'm the problem in this scenario.
Point 2: I think putting pineapple on pizza is wrong, but I understand that people have different tastes. I don't want you banned from eating pizza.
Point 3: I have no interest in sharing a girl with a bunch of other guys, but I respect that some are into that, and they have the right to do so.
Therefore: You don’t like that four guys had sex with the same girl? I respect that. But you don’t have the right to force your morals onto other people. Everyone knows the Spanish Inquisition was wrong—don’t try to bring it back.
On the main subject: buyer’s remorse does not negate consent.
I don’t like how any of this was handled, and I believe there was political motivation behind it. Initially, the police investigated, found no laws were broken, and no charges were laid. In hindsight, that decision appears to have been the correct one.
But then the media picked up the story, public pressure mounted, and police re-opened the investigation. From what I understand, no new evidence was introduced—yet charges were laid. Text messages from the girl herself indicated she consented. Regardless, five young men lost their contracts, their reputations, and their futures—despite Canadian law stating “innocent until proven guilty.” And now, after all the damage is done, they’ve been vindicated.
There were many poor decisions made along the way, but those five boys weren’t the ones making them.You can debate morality, but morals are not laws. And if we are going to discuss morality, it’s worth noting that the girl consented—and she had a boyfriend. So why are the boys facing more backlash than the girl, when her actions could be seen as less moral than theirs?
Point. 1: I think it's wrong to drive 45–50 km/h in a 50 zone, but I respect your right to do so and won’t complain—at least not out loud. I realize I'm the problem in this scenario.
Point 2: I think putting pineapple on pizza is wrong, but I understand that people have different tastes. I don't want you banned from eating pizza.
Point 3: I have no interest in sharing a girl with a bunch of other guys, but I respect that some are into that, and they have the right to do so.
Therefore: You don’t like that four guys had sex with the same girl? I respect that. But you don’t have the right to force your morals onto other people. Everyone knows the Spanish Inquisition was wrong—don’t try to bring it back.
On the main subject: buyer’s remorse does not negate consent.
I don’t like how any of this was handled, and I believe there was political motivation behind it. Initially, the police investigated, found no laws were broken, and no charges were laid. In hindsight, that decision appears to have been the correct one.
But then the media picked up the story, public pressure mounted, and police re-opened the investigation. From what I understand, no new evidence was introduced—yet charges were laid. Text messages from the girl herself indicated she consented. Regardless, five young men lost their contracts, their reputations, and their futures—despite Canadian law stating “innocent until proven guilty.” And now, after all the damage is done, they’ve been vindicated.
There were many poor decisions made along the way, but those five boys weren’t the ones making them.You can debate morality, but morals are not laws. And if we are going to discuss morality, it’s worth noting that the girl consented—and she had a boyfriend. So why are the boys facing more backlash than the girl, when her actions could be seen as less moral than theirs?
Pretty sure those are "actors". I don't think those are real. But I see a lot of "street interviews" on YouTube that make your point.
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Glenn/RZ500
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I`ve known three women that told me about women`s stag parties, they were there. Male strippers and escorts to get it on with any willing women. In a room full of totally hammered women, that was most of them...anything went. Women far surpass men when it comes to drunken debauchery, no question about it, I`ve seen it too.
Considering how it all went down.. I'd disagree with that. legally right or wrong.. morally right or wrong.. doesn't matter so much at this point. At that point in the careers.. they should have been thinking about their careers.
Don't get involved in anything that might make the news, in a negative way, when you're about to break into the pro league of whatever sport you play!
That assumes brain power exceeds testosterone power.
Glenn/RZ500
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That never worked for a whole lotta` Pro motorcycle racers, away from the track. Some stories I`ll have to keep private.
I didn't follow the trial and I've looked at a few pages of the 90 page judgement. I'll read the balance when I have a few hours to kill.
The hockey association erred when they settled the lawsuit and never informed the group accused of their intent to do so. IMO, lots of dubious behavior here by many, but this association effectively set up the players without their knowledge and consent, leading to the charges against them.
The settlement was driven by a desire to sweep the incident under the rug and avoid negative publicity. The potential impact to the players reputation and future careers was totally irrelevant to the leaders of Hockey Canada, this was all about money.
The hockey association erred when they settled the lawsuit and never informed the group accused of their intent to do so. IMO, lots of dubious behavior here by many, but this association effectively set up the players without their knowledge and consent, leading to the charges against them.
The settlement was driven by a desire to sweep the incident under the rug and avoid negative publicity. The potential impact to the players reputation and future careers was totally irrelevant to the leaders of Hockey Canada, this was all about money.
The little heads did the thinking.
I believe your are referring the the old-guard Hockey Canada, before they gutted it and DEI'd it?
Mad Mike
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They have handlers.. sadly keeping the out of mischief usually involves sorting puck bunnies for them.
Young hockey players have no trouble attracting women. Some are looking for a fun nite, others hunting a good life relationship as a WAG. For Jr age players it starts at 16.
Mad Mike
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Does a spit roast count? Asking for a friend.
Mad Mike
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There is some responsibility there, but how tight do you draw the line? Athletes, particularly in contact sports are encouraged to take risks, and taught how to behave to some degree. Particularly hockey - where you see far less criminal activity than other pro sports.
In this case those boys may have walked across a moral line for some people, but remember the gal sought out those boys and marched across that line with them- apparently willingly and with consent.
Where is the moral outrage for her actions after the fact? First, she extorted Hockey Canada, then derailed the careers of 5 young men.
In so many words, Hockey Canada pleaded guilty for them.
Mad Mike
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Hockey Canada was in a precarious position. They were aware the incident took place, they new it was sensational and the bag of cash EM asked for to make it go away was likely an open media tussle the reputational damage to the org and players.
If I were one of the 5 acquitted I'd be looking to sue this organization as their actions precipitated the review and then charges. I'm reasonably confident that if the settlement had not occurred then the police would never have reopened the case or laid charges. Lots of PC issues here.
Lost wages over the last few years and potential lost wages or career(s) in the future. Big bucks here in total.
Mad Mike
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I’m sure that’s in process. There could be a vast number of civil suits including Hockey Canada, media, social media influencers.
Doubtful any of that will happen as the cost of- benefit would be a risky proposition.
My guess is they move on, possibly into non playing roles in hockey. Perhaps in playing roles in pro hockey outside the NHL.
Doubtful any of that will happen as the cost of- benefit would be a risky proposition.
My guess is they move on, possibly into non playing roles in hockey. Perhaps in playing roles in pro hockey outside the NHL.
