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jc100

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It still may be cost effective even if it doesnt affect survival. Getting people out of the hospital even a single day earlier pays for the drug.

cost effective for a limited number of western hospitals perhaps, WHO was looking at globally effective and accessible treatments and dexamethasone looks like it’s going to be a lot more useful even if it’s a totally different drug.
 

GreyGhost

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Yonge dundas square anti-mask protest today. Can we just throw all these knobs in the skydone or fort york amd let them live their best life until a vaccine is widely available?

 

jc100

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Yonge dundas square anti-mask protest today. Can we just throw all these knobs in the skydone or fort york amd let them live their best life until a vaccine is widely available?


maybe if they are presented with the choice between no bars/No restaurants/No in person shopping/curfews/less available hospital beds/ more unemployment or.....wearing a little bit of cloth or paper over your face.

Bunch of fucking idiots.
 

Baggsy

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How accurate are the numbers coming out of various countries?
 

nobbie48

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Stupid question but pre Covid there were arguments about Muslim women wearing face coverings and identification issues arising. With everyone wearing face coverings has there been any increase in bank robberies, fraud or other crime?
 

Baggsy

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Stupid question but pre Covid there were arguments about Muslim women wearing face coverings and identification issues arising. With everyone wearing face coverings has there been any increase in bank robberies, fraud or other crime?
Probably, but no one involved is going to advertise it.

The issue does arise that you can't simply remove your mask to change your appearance. You'd have to put on a different mask.

Death rates for other causes will be messed up by Covid, as well.
 

Baggsy

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More fun with numbers.

I was trying to figure out which country/countries would be best to compare Canada to. Most people want to compare us to the U.S., but that's not really fair, as they have way more population than we do, take in way more immigrants. Here's some numbers from three other countries. Poland has a similar population, but seven borders, and emigration. Germany has more population, nine borders, and way more immigration. Sweden went against the grain, and didn't lock down at all. I could add Australia, New Zealand, U.K., but they're islands, although, we only have one border (plus a couple of islands that other nations have claimed). Any other countries that we should compare ourselves to? Are the covid death & case numbers consistent across nations?

Country​
Cases​
Deaths​
Pop​
Death/M​
Cases/M​
Cases/Pop %​
Deaths/Cases %​
US​
8,393,204​
224,824​
331,584,544​
678​
25,312​
2.531​
2.679​
Canada​
198,148​
9,760​
37,840,952​
258​
5,236​
0.524​
4.926​
Poland​
183,248​
3,614​
37,834,066​
96​
4,843​
0.484​
1.972​
Sweden​
103,200​
5,918​
10,118,134​
585​
10,200​
1.020​
5.734​
Germany​
371,154​
9,882​
83,864,554​
118​
4,426​
0.443​
2.663​
 

GreyGhost

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More fun with numbers.

I was trying to figure out which country/countries would be best to compare Canada to. Most people want to compare us to the U.S., but that's not really fair, as they have way more population than we do, take in way more immigrants. Here's some numbers from three other countries. Poland has a similar population, but seven borders, and emigration. Germany has more population, nine borders, and way more immigration. Sweden went against the grain, and didn't lock down at all. I could add Australia, New Zealand, U.K., but they're islands, although, we only have one border (plus a couple of islands that other nations have claimed). Any other countries that we should compare ourselves to? Are the covid death & case numbers consistent across nations?

Country​
Cases​
Deaths​
Pop​
Death/M​
Cases/M​
Cases/Pop %​
Deaths/Cases %​
US​
8,393,204​
224,824​
331,584,544​
678​
25,312​
2.531​
2.679​
Canada​
198,148​
9,760​
37,840,952​
258​
5,236​
0.524​
4.926​
Poland​
183,248​
3,614​
37,834,066​
96​
4,843​
0.484​
1.972​
Sweden​
103,200​
5,918​
10,118,134​
585​
10,200​
1.020​
5.734​
Germany​
371,154​
9,882​
83,864,554​
118​
4,426​
0.443​
2.663​
The grossly different death/case % leads me to believe that there is a vast disparity in identified vs actual cases (or alternatively what death gets considered a covid death).

I don't understand the focus on immigration in your thinking. Many countries have limited movement across borders during this mess. Are you thinking high recent immigration results in a vulnerable population segment? I can't see that percentage being much on a national scale.
 

Baggsy

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The grossly different death/case % leads me to believe that there is a vast disparity in identified vs actual cases (or alternatively what death gets considered a covid death).

I don't understand the focus on immigration in your thinking. Many countries have limited movement across borders during this mess. Are you thinking high recent immigration results in a vulnerable population segment? I can't see that percentage being much on a national scale.
My thinking was that some here might exclude some countries that we might compare ourselves to, because of their being more homogeneous.
Poland for instance, has a net emigration. I'm not saying that immigrants are to blame. Having said that, we do have more people traveling to more countries than some other nations. I don't want people saying you can't count them, because they don't travel all over the world enough.
 

DownUnder

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More fun with numbers.

I was trying to figure out which country/countries would be best to compare Canada to. Most people want to compare us to the U.S., but that's not really fair, as they have way more population than we do, take in way more immigrants. Here's some numbers from three other countries. Poland has a similar population, but seven borders, and emigration. Germany has more population, nine borders, and way more immigration. Sweden went against the grain, and didn't lock down at all. I could add Australia, New Zealand, U.K., but they're islands, although, we only have one border (plus a couple of islands that other nations have claimed). Any other countries that we should compare ourselves to? Are the covid death & case numbers consistent across nations?

Country​
Cases​
Deaths​
Pop​
Death/M​
Cases/M​
Cases/Pop %​
Deaths/Cases %​
US​
8,393,204​
224,824​
331,584,544​
678​
25,312​
2.531​
2.679​
Canada​
198,148​
9,760​
37,840,952​
258​
5,236​
0.524​
4.926​
Poland​
183,248​
3,614​
37,834,066​
96​
4,843​
0.484​
1.972​
Sweden​
103,200​
5,918​
10,118,134​
585​
10,200​
1.020​
5.734​
Germany​
371,154​
9,882​
83,864,554​
118​
4,426​
0.443​
2.663​
I'd like to see australia on there, similar pop spread out among a large land mass.
 

Baggsy

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I'd like to see australia on there, similar pop spread out among a large land mass.
More Countries. I don't like where Canada's Deaths/Cases percentage sits.
Basically, it seems like you're more likely to survive it if you live in the U.S.
Over two and a half percent of the U.S. population have had the disease.
If the same happened here, we'd be potentially looking at 46,500 covid deaths. i.e. more than the U.K.

Country​
Cases​
Deaths​
Pop​
Death/M​
Cases/M​
Cases/Pop %​
Deaths/Cases %​
Australia​
27,399​
905​
25,587,856​
35​
1,071​
0.107​
3.303​
NZ​
1,886​
25​
5,002,100​
5​
377​
0.038​
1.326​
UK​
741,212​
43,726​
67,993,010​
643​
10,901​
1.090​
5.899​
France​
897,034​
33,477​
65,317,031​
513​
13,734​
1.373​
3.732​
 
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GreyGhost

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More Countries. I don't like where Canada's Deaths/Cases percentage sits.
Basically, it seems like you're more likely to survive it if you live in the U.S.
Over two and a half percent of the U.S. population have had the disease.
If the same happened here, we'd be potentially looking at 46,500 covid deaths. i.e. more than the U.K.

I dont think you can look at the stats like that. You can only compare deaths/cases if similar sample pools were tested. In the US, many of the most vulnerable populations had very limited access to testing. In much of canada, for quite a while anybody could get a test anytime for any reason. Basically canada is averaging in he zeroes and the US doesnt have any idea how many 1's they had.
 

Evoex

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I dont think you can look at the stats like that. You can only compare deaths/cases if similar sample pools were tested. In the US, many of the most vulnerable populations had very limited access to testing. In much of canada, for quite a while anybody could get a test anytime for any reason. Basically canada is averaging in he zeroes and the US doesnt have any idea how many 1's they had.
agreed, general statistics are misleading.
 

Baggsy

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I dont think you can look at the stats like that. You can only compare deaths/cases if similar sample pools were tested. In the US, many of the most vulnerable populations had very limited access to testing. In much of canada, for quite a while anybody could get a test anytime for any reason. Basically canada is averaging in he zeroes and the US doesnt have any idea how many 1's they had.

agreed, general statistics are misleading.

O.k. why not? It seems like a simple calculation if the numbers are accurate.
 

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