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GreyGhost

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I've been noticing a lot of feeble older types not wearing masks properly. Masks are a nuisance but installing a ventilator isn't fun either. High risk and low compliance is a bad mix.
I will say, humping hundreds of pounds of stuff up flights of stairs while wearing an N95 mask is a really &*%*&%&% experience. I may downgrade my protection to a cloth mask when I go to site. I had a bunch of N95 from past construction projects and I figured that I was entering a building with low compliance, lots of workers, minimal cleaning and 100% of the people from locations far from me, extra protection wasn't a bad plan but I am reconsidering.
 

nobbie48

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I will say, humping hundreds of pounds of stuff up flights of stairs while wearing an N95 mask is a really &*%*&%&% experience. I may downgrade my protection to a cloth mask when I go to site. I had a bunch of N95 from past construction projects and I figured that I was entering a building with low compliance, lots of workers, minimal cleaning and 100% of the people from locations far from me, extra protection wasn't a bad plan but I am reconsidering.

I bought a N95 industrial mask the other day for $26.00 + tax. (Atlas Machinery) It was for some dusty concrete work. By the way the N95 was originally designed for construction workers to prevent silicosis.

I find the breathing easier and the fit tighter.

I also bought a pile of the disposable KN-95's just in case. Disposable N-95's only go to hospitals. KN is Chinese standard N is US. While the KN is sketchy it has to be better than a bandanna.
 

nobbie48

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I may have been advised of a Covid money pit.

A contractor I know told me that a housing project he services got a $250,000 Covid payment. It is a townhouse co-op or similar. I'm trying to figure what has changed in the operating costs of the complex.
 

jc100

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Just watched a video on the BBC about first year students at university on their last night out before their classes start and get they get locked down a bit...so naturally they are out on the town with friends. They interview them while in bars with their friends, no masks, no social distancing and they are complaining about how everyone blames them for the rise in numbers. The irony is delicious. The reality is very sad. The UK is set to get back to where they were at the height of the epidemic. Individual cities are being locked down. It's not going to be too long before they end up with a widespread lockdown, again. They are already facing the biggest recession in decades.

Complacency here isn’t something we should entertain. Our numbers are rising for the exact same reasons as the UKs. The pandemic isn’t over, it’s not even close. Contacts need to decrease, not remain the same. The members of your social bubble need to be looked at carefully. Are they keeping their contacts down?

The only way we get back to normal quickly is through some self discipline. I don’t know if enough people have that.
 

GreyGhost

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Just watched a video on the BBC about first year students at university on their last night out before their classes start and get they get locked down a bit...so naturally they are out on the town with friends. They interview them while in bars with their friends, no masks, no social distancing and they are complaining about how everyone blames them for the rise in numbers. The irony is delicious. The reality is very sad. The UK is set to get back to where they were at the height of the epidemic. Individual cities are being locked down. It's not going to be too long before they end up with a widespread lockdown, again. They are already facing the biggest recession in decades.

Complacency here isn’t something we should entertain. Our numbers are rising for the exact same reasons as the UKs. The pandemic isn’t over, it’s not even close. Contacts need to decrease, not remain the same. The members of your social bubble need to be looked at carefully. Are they keeping their contacts down?

The only way we get back to normal quickly is through some self discipline. I don’t know if enough people have that.
Part of the issue is the social support is too generous in many cases. Student CERB gave many students more money than if they worked and they got to do nothing all summer. For a large portion of the population, doing nothing while collecting enough money to live on is far more enjoyable than the alternative. The faster we get back to lockdown, the sooner and wider the coffers open. I don't agree with this approach but it fits with a lot of the stupid behaviour.

FWIW, 15 out of 19 kids in my sons kindergarten class are kicked out for runny noses. :/
 

nobbie48

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Part of the issue is the social support is too generous in many cases. Student CERB gave many students more money than if they worked and they got to do nothing all summer. For a large portion of the population, doing nothing while collecting enough money to live on is far more enjoyable than the alternative. The faster we get back to lockdown, the sooner and wider the coffers open. I don't agree with this approach but it fits with a lot of the stupid behaviour.

FWIW, 15 out of 19 kids in my sons kindergarten class are kicked out for runny noses. :/

Not. a Covid issue but the same mentality, a friend's daughter a few years back got a $10,000 student loan. Basically it was a prepaid credit card. It was gone in two weeks buying new ski equipment and staying at a resort with her boyfriend.
 

nobbie48

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Just watched a video on the BBC about first year students at university on their last night out before their classes start and get they get locked down a bit...so naturally they are out on the town with friends. They interview them while in bars with their friends, no masks, no social distancing and they are complaining about how everyone blames them for the rise in numbers. The irony is delicious. The reality is very sad. The UK is set to get back to where they were at the height of the epidemic. Individual cities are being locked down. It's not going to be too long before they end up with a widespread lockdown, again. They are already facing the biggest recession in decades.

Complacency here isn’t something we should entertain. Our numbers are rising for the exact same reasons as the UKs. The pandemic isn’t over, it’s not even close. Contacts need to decrease, not remain the same. The members of your social bubble need to be looked at carefully. Are they keeping their contacts down?

The only way we get back to normal quickly is through some self discipline. I don’t know if enough people have that.

I'm not in total disagreement but also consider the student that doesn't have parents with deep pockets. He / She may be working in those restaurants and bars to pay bills.

The ones that party hearty should have their health cards permanently stamped DNR.

DNR = Do Not Resuscitate

Easing becomes relaxing, relaxing becomes complacency, complacency becomes emergency
 

Baggsy

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Government has begun detaining people in undisclosed locations.
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
I'd feel better, if I could trust the Feds to be working in my interest, but I don't.
 

J_F

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I may have been advised of a Covid money pit.

A contractor I know told me that a housing project he services got a $250,000 Covid payment. It is a townhouse co-op or similar. I'm trying to figure what has changed in the operating costs of the complex.

could be custodial services
 

J_F

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They're townhouses. All that is needed is to wipe down a few doorknobs. High rise I can understand with hallways, elevators, public stairways and entries.

yeah who knows eh?

I used to do business with an appliance guy
just for chits and giggles he bid on the contract for MTHO

turned out to be a goldmine
the occupants would never clean the fridges or stoves
when they inevitably got booted the appliances went for scrap

he figured the average life was less than 2 years for a fridge or stove
 

Baggsy

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yeah who knows eh?

I used to do business with an appliance guy
just for chits and giggles he bid on the contract for MTHO

turned out to be a goldmine
the occupants would never clean the fridges or stoves
when they inevitably got booted the appliances went for scrap

he figured the average life was less than 2 years for a fridge or stove
Not sure that he would appreciate you sharing here.
My sister lives next door to a million dollar plus MTHO house, and the only criteria they seem to use to compare contractors is price.
One contractor came in to tear out the porch as it was old and rotting, and somehow left a foot wide hole to the basement. Next contractor came in to put in the new one and left the hole. The new tenants had to complain to get it covered up. Every other year the siding seems to come unattached and is flapping in the breeze in need of repair. While the tenants might not help, the quality of goods and services delivered seem poor at best.
Sam Vimes Theory of Economic Injustice


Some of the tenants have seemed dubious over the years, they either worked for the city, were teachers (one was a principal), or had some other connection. Most didn't seem to be "poor", at time having three cars.
In my mind they should either sell the place and use the money to fix/build other places properly, or put people who actually need public housing in them and try to break the cycle of poverty.
 

J_F

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got the acronym wrong
it was MTHA
and it doesn't exist anymore since the Metro level of gov is gone

I'm going back around 20 years Baggsy
but don't think the level of waste has likely improved much
 

Baggsy

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GreyGhost

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Interesting graphic from Toronto Public Health on the impact of a single night of bar hopping. It isn't pretty how quickly it can explode if a few idiots ignore precautions. Bar hopping morons should be named and shamed like DUI. Honestly, they gave absolutely zero (*&(*& about public safety.


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Now bars are whining that Douggies measures are hurting them. Obviously we don't have any way to control wandering morons so sadly we need to limit the hours of their watering holes so logistics don't allow them to visit so many in a single night.
 
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nobbie48

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Not sure that he would appreciate you sharing here.
My sister lives next door to a million dollar plus MTHO house, and the only criteria they seem to use to compare contractors is price.
One contractor came in to tear out the porch as it was old and rotting, and somehow left a foot wide hole to the basement. Next contractor came in to put in the new one and left the hole. The new tenants had to complain to get it covered up. Every other year the siding seems to come unattached and is flapping in the breeze in need of repair. While the tenants might not help, the quality of goods and services delivered seem poor at best.
Sam Vimes Theory of Economic Injustice


Some of the tenants have seemed dubious over the years, they either worked for the city, were teachers (one was a principal), or had some other connection. Most didn't seem to be "poor", at time having three cars.
In my mind they should either sell the place and use the money to fix/build other places properly, or put people who actually need public housing in them and try to break the cycle of poverty.

When it's the public purse it can be very hard to go with anything but the lowest price. Theoretically the lowest bid can be taken and have lots of inspectors hovering over the job. Then the dirt bag contractor slows down the job for corrections and the project stalls. He gets extras to work overtime to speed things up.

If he doesn't speed up the project the season may change and the windows, boiler, concrete work can't be done for another six months. If the building suffers from deterioration due to the above it isn't his responsibility.

You can sue but most small contractors lease their premises, lease their vehicles and heavy tools and have a bank loan. If you win the prize is a wheelbarrow and rusty shovel.

In a lot of coops it is possible for a financially secure person to get a suite but they pay market rate. It helps balance out the rent assisted suites, theoretically. A friend was in one and was concerned that an inheritance would affect his rent. It didn't as they only took into consideration the bank interest, not the principle. He had enough to buy a small condo.

Breaking the cycle of poverty means a living wage, not a minimum wage. Under pay full time workers and they have to rely on food and rent subsidies. If we pay them living wages the price of our fast foods go up and the owners lose profit. So basically we are subsidizing the owners of the burger joints.

Breaking the cycle also means mentoring the poor. The ones that lose a chunk of their pay cheque to a cashing service. The ones that go to fast food joints because they have been brain washed into thinking they're cheap. But it's hard to break the cycle when there's no light at the end of the tunnel. It also calls for politicians with guts but few can stand the noise. Nothing squeals louder than a fat pig.
 

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