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nobbie48

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The fundraising scam is a travesty brought on by bureaucracy. Hospitals like to work with budgets. Company A comes and says we will give you $3,000,000 next year if you let us fundraise for you. Hospital has guaranteed income and is happy. Company A then hustles to get donations. If they get $8,000,000, they keep it (minus the promised three and their expenses). Sure it may drive up the guaranteed amount for next year, but you donation is helping the telemarketer, not the hospital this year. I don't know what happens if they collect less than $3,000,000. My suspicion is they bail and come back as Company B next year.
I just got a donation request from a hospital and it is from XXXXXX Health Partners. It also says my donation will be doubled but not where the mysterious matching funds will come from. I'm wondering if there is any problem with a donation directly to the hospital, bypassing the "Partners". Time for some research.
 

nobbie48

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Update, found this:

"Foundation received $19.6m in donations and special events revenue during F2019, making it a Major 100 charity, and one of Canada’s largest. Fundraising and administrative costs are 39% of revenues less investment income. For every dollar donated, 61 cents go to the cause, which is outside of Ci’s reasonable range for overhead spending. In F2019, the foundation spend $7.9m in fundraising and administrative costs to grant $4.4m to the hospitals."

It isn't the summer bake sale.
 

Mad Mike

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Most fundraising 'charities' operate on the premise charity starts at home. They spend millions on key staff salaries & benefits. It's common for sr staff to boondoggle around the world on foundation dollars.

I get the fact that it costs money to raise money, what I don't get is they have very little transparency in what the do. The should be required to:

1) Declare they are an independent fundraiser and disclose what percentage of your donation make it to the hospital.
2) Meet a minimum ratio of funds raised:funds delivered based on the amount of funds raised.
3) Annually disclose compensation and travel expenses for each director or staff member that earns in excess of $50,000
4) Use foundation names that are not so deceptive as to make the donor think they are part of the hospital.
 

crankcall

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ex crewmate was a fundraiser for Queens, putting the squeeze on alumni to cough up for the old alma mater . His travel budget and dinners for visiting Dr.XX was pretty ok. You spend it to earn it back in pledges.
 

Baggsy

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Has flatten the curve gone out of style lately? I'm not hearing it as much.

Remember that the idea was that the area under the curve remained the same.

Are hospitals under-utilized at the moment?
 

crankcall

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hospitals are in very good shape, going back to elective surgeries and as of today Oakville has 0 hospital cases. Now we need to keep the curve flat, the recent 'easings' are likely to cause a spike, but lets hope its a manageable and controlable number.

I'm surprised and pleased with how Ford & team have managed this
 

bigpoppa

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hospitals are in very good shape, going back to elective surgeries and as of today Oakville has 0 hospital cases. Now we need to keep the curve flat, the recent 'easings' are likely to cause a spike, but lets hope its a manageable and controlable number.

I'm surprised and pleased with how Ford & team have managed this
Cases are rising in ontario as the weather gets warmer:
Source is from an ontario physician who tracks them daily
441 new cases today, the big red line is the one to pay attention to:
 
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Mad Mike

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Sadly it's not just charities that do this. When my kids were small I coached in local hockey, lacrosse and soccer clubs. It always puzzled me that all three sports had the same price for their rec leagues (houseleagues). Hockey games had 2 refs and a timekeeper, lacrosse 2 refs, and soccer 1 ref. Ice cost $200/hr, no ice (lacrosse) was $50/hr, and fields were $6/hr. They all had the same number of games and practices, uniforms were about the same too.

I was on the exec for the hockey club where 100% of the parents money went to to cover costs - nobody except referees were paid - the club's other expenses were <2% of revenues. The Lacrosse league was private, the owner made a buck but that was well known. The community soccer club was organized like the hockey club, a community club. I was shocked to know the head coach for soccer drew a nice salary, and the pres + 1 execs drew some hefty expenses from the club PLUS they boodoggled to an annual FIFA conference on the club's dime.
 

Baggsy

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Cases are rising in ontario as the weather gets warmer:
Source is from an ontario physician who tracks them daily
441 new cases today, the big red line is the one to pay attention to:
Is that graph from only one type of test, both types of tests, or all of one and some of the other?
i.e. there is an antibody test, and a you're sick now test.
In the U.S. they are finding that many States have been commingling the two different tests, and are now trying to separate them out.
 

BigEvilDoer

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I was on the exec for the hockey club where 100% of the parents money went to to cover costs - nobody except referees were paid - the club's other expenses were <2% of revenues...
Well, check it out now...
A coach for the Greater Toronto Minor HL, at the AAA level will command a $50-60K salary, all paid for by the parents and leagues.

I'm a referee, and believe me, the abuse we take is barely worth the money we get paid. For a Bantam AAA game, 10/15/15 minute periods, the referee gets about $35, linesmen get $29. That's for about 1.75 hours on ice. Getting yelled at, abused and generally scorned.
I've had a coach at the Midget AA level throw an absolute hissy fit at me for an obvious non-call. I blew my whistle half way through his tirade, in front of all the spectators (stadium seating all behind the benches) -- he stopped, I asked him, loudly enough for *EVERYONE* in the arena to hear, "Coach! How long would you be employed if you behaved like this at your day job?!?!?"

A moment of silence...

And the whole crowd kind of went, "oooohhhhh... ... ouch...."

Didn't hear a word from him after that.
 

GreyGhost

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Most fundraising 'charities' operate on the premise charity starts at home. They spend millions on key staff salaries & benefits. It's common for sr staff to boondoggle around the world on foundation dollars.

I get the fact that it costs money to raise money, what I don't get is they have very little transparency in what the do. The should be required to:

1) Declare they are an independent fundraiser and disclose what percentage of your donation make it to the hospital.
2) Meet a minimum ratio of funds raised:funds delivered based on the amount of funds raised.
3) Annually disclose compensation and travel expenses for each director or staff member that earns in excess of $50,000
4) Use foundation names that are not so deceptive as to make the donor think they are part of the hospital.
Cough. Charities account for 8.4% of GDP? Wtf. How is that possible?

 

bigpoppa

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Is that graph from only one type of test, both types of tests, or all of one and some of the other?
i.e. there is an antibody test, and a you're sick now test.
In the U.S. they are finding that many States have been commingling the two different tests, and are now trying to separate them out.
Thats a VERY bad idea, the only logical reason I can think of as to why some american states would play that game would be to try and minimize the danger of this thing "oh its only 50% symptomatic" but what if after 2 days of being unsympathetic, suddenly your fighting for your life? Or what if you dont have symptoms, but your loved ones suddenly do?

The chart doesnt try to pigeon-hole the data, it just shows the number of NEW cases every day
Antibodies(asymptomatic) vs Full blown, either way your either in danger yourself, or a danger to everyone else around you
 

Brian P

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Back to coronavirus ...

From Coronavirus Update (Live): 5,303,992 Cases and 340,003 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

USA hit a minimum on daily new cases on 11th May and daily new deaths on 10th May, Their numbers always have a weekly pattern superimposed on the general trend. No idea why deaths would hit a local minimum every Sunday, but that's been the pattern. The numbers are now higher than they were at that minimum, but if you go back exactly 7 days or exactly 14 days, those numbers are decreasing ... slowly. So, it's unclear if their case numbers are actually going up or down on a national level, because it depends on how you look at them.

The next unhappy milestone for the USA will be 100,000 officially recorded deaths, and it will probably be sometime this weekend.

We're not out of the woods, either.
 

Mad Mike

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Well, check it out now...
A coach for the Greater Toronto Minor HL, at the AAA level will command a $50-60K salary, all paid for by the parents and leagues.

I'm a referee, and believe me, the abuse we take is barely worth the money we get paid. For a Bantam AAA game, 10/15/15 minute periods, the referee gets about $35, linesmen get $29. That's for about 1.75 hours on ice. Getting yelled at, abused and generally scorned.
I've had a coach at the Midget AA level throw an absolute hissy fit at me for an obvious non-call. I blew my whistle half way through his tirade, in front of all the spectators (stadium seating all behind the benches) -- he stopped, I asked him, loudly enough for *EVERYONE* in the arena to hear, "Coach! How long would you be employed if you behaved like this at your day job?!?!?"

A moment of silence...

And the whole crowd kind of went, "oooohhhhh... ... ouch...."

Didn't hear a word from him after that.
I don't like that part of hockey. I spent close to 30 years as a coach in the US and Canada, and a few years as Hockey Canada National Coach Mentor. Some of my players made it to the Show, I never took a dime nor did my colleagues. I also reffed about 2000 games in my career.

I always respected referees, but I can tell you that's not always easy. Having worked both sides of the game I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that most AAA coaches know the game and the rules better than most referees. There are always exceptions, and there are always great and poor performers in both ranks.

In fairness, the GTHL is a bit of a **** show when it comes to hockey in Canada. Yes it does concentrate a few teams of he country's best players into each age group, but after that it's pretty much a beer league for kids.
 

jc100

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Back to coronavirus ...

From Coronavirus Update (Live): 5,303,992 Cases and 340,003 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

USA hit a minimum on daily new cases on 11th May and daily new deaths on 10th May, Their numbers always have a weekly pattern superimposed on the general trend. No idea why deaths would hit a local minimum every Sunday, but that's been the pattern. The numbers are now higher than they were at that minimum, but if you go back exactly 7 days or exactly 14 days, those numbers are decreasing ... slowly. So, it's unclear if their case numbers are actually going up or down on a national level, because it depends on how you look at them.

The next unhappy milestone for the USA will be 100,000 officially recorded deaths, and it will probably be sometime this weekend.

We're not out of the woods, either.
...but you can go to church now....Trump says so.
 

Baggsy

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Thats a VERY bad idea, the only logical reason I can think of as to why some american states would play that game would be to try and minimize the danger of this thing "oh its only 50% symptomatic" but what if after 2 days of being unsympathetic, suddenly your fighting for your life? Or what if you dont have symptoms, but your loved ones suddenly do?

The chart doesnt try to pigeon-hole the data, it just shows the number of NEW cases every day
Antibodies(asymptomatic) vs Full blown, either way your either in danger yourself, or a danger to everyone else around you
So, you're certain then, that his results don't include antibody tests.
 

FullMotoJacket

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Baggsy

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As expected the epicenter of wankers in Toronto are once again proving that they are special needs sunflowers.

I'm not sure what the big fuss is about. It seems to be two separate groups of wankers in conflict. Let them be.
 

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