Cheap helmet review by Ryan F9...options under $200

I'm a bit of a helmet collector, so have owned many from different brands like Schuberth, Dainese, Shoei, Arai, Nexx, LS2, Klim, Shark, Zox

Some of my personal observations:

- Most of the money you spend on the helmet goes into non-safety related features, like quality of materials that touch your skin, the ease of removal of pads, visors and peaks for cleaning or replacement, venting, weight, wind management and noise management. And course, graphics vs solid colours, with race replica lids commanding the most premium (Looking at you, Rossi-heads)

- Most helmet companies contract out their manufacturing to China. Only a few manufacture from the country where they are headquartered. Joe Rocket is a Canadian company and AGV is from Italy, but their helmets are actually made in China. That greatly lowers their costs which is reflected in the retail price. Others like Schuberth, Arai and Shoei manufacture from the country where they are headquartered like Germany and Japan, which have higher labour costs hence higher retail cost. But does higher labour cost equal better safety? iPhones are considered a premium product, but as most people know, they're made in China, not in the US, where Apple is headquartered. How much of what you are paying is just for good marketing?

- Any safety rating above DOT compliance (which is self-claiming, not tested/certified) will command a premium, but how much does it actually cost a manufacturer to submit a helmet for ECE/Snell/FIM testing and for a well-known helmet company, does it justify the price increase across tens of thousands of helmets sold? RyanF9 had a good point about economies of scale. Smaller companies make and sell fewer helmets, so it might not make financial sense to pay for tests and certification if they're only going to sell a few thousand a year, but if they actually did spend the money, would their helmets pass safety cert anyway? Easy to say, "well it feels cheap", but that may just be the materials touching your skin like cheek pads and liners (see first point above) and these cheaper-feeling helmets *may* still be as safe as more expensive lids that feel better and more comfortable.

- "Premium" helmet manufacturers do get it wrong sometimes. Schuberth is a well regarded company, but when they released their C4 helmet, it was vastly inferior to their old C3/C3 Pro in terms of comfort and safety. They fixed it in their newest C5 line, but it should serve as a warning to buyers who base their purchase on name recognition that quality is still model dependent and not brand dependent. The post directly above this one may be one such example of this.
 
I'm a bit of a helmet collector, so have owned many from different brands like Schuberth, Dainese, Shoei, Arai, Nexx, LS2, Klim, Shark, Zox

Some of my personal observations:

- Most of the money you spend on the helmet goes into non-safety related features, like quality of materials that touch your skin, the ease of removal of pads, visors and peaks for cleaning or replacement, venting, weight, wind management and noise management. And course, graphics vs solid colours, with race replica lids commanding the most premium (Looking at you, Rossi-heads)

- Most helmet companies contract out their manufacturing to China. Only a few manufacture from the country where they are headquartered. Joe Rocket is a Canadian company and AGV is from Italy, but their helmets are actually made in China. That greatly lowers their costs which is reflected in the retail price. Others like Schuberth, Arai and Shoei manufacture from the country where they are headquartered like Germany and Japan, which have higher labour costs hence higher retail cost. But does higher labour cost equal better safety? iPhones are considered a premium product, but as most people know, they're made in China, not in the US, where Apple is headquartered.

- Any safety rating above DOT compliance (which is self-claiming, not tested/certified) will command a premium, but how much does it actually cost a manufacturer to submit a helmet for ECE/Snell/FIM testing and for a well-known helmet company, does it justify the price increase across tens of thousands of helmets sold? RyanF9 had a good point about economies of scale. Smaller companies make and sell fewer helmets, so it might not make financial sense to pay for tests and certification if they're only going to sell a few thousand a year, but if they actually did spend the money, would their helmets pass safety cert anyway? Easy to say, "well it feels cheap", but that may just be the materials touching your skin like cheek pads and liners (see first point above) and these cheaper-feeling helmets *may* still be as safe as more expensive lids that feel better and more comfortable.

- "Premium" helmet manufacturers do get it wrong sometimes. Schuberth is a well regarded company, but when they released their C4 helmet, it was vastly inferior to their old C3/C3 Pro in terms of comfort and safety. They fixed it in their newest C5 line, but it should serve as a warning to buyers that purchase on brand recognition that quality is still model dependent and not brand dependent. The post directly above this one may be one such example of this.
I figure my head is worth more than $200. I generally replace my lids after 5-6 years, I have a handful, my fave these days is a Schuthbert - quiet and easy to control. In cold weather I use a Scorpion, it’s more comfortable, warmer and has a heated shield.
 
I figure my head is worth more than $200. I generally replace my lids after 5-6 years, I have a handful, my fave these days is a Schuthbert - quiet and easy to control. In cold weather I use a Scorpion, it’s more comfortable, warmer and has a heated shield.

All your features are non-safety related: quiet, easy to control, comfortable, warmer, heated shield.

So when you say your head is worth more than $200, it's more of a pamperin-your-noggin thing vs actual safety. A point was made a few posts above that if two helmets are both Snell or ECE tested and certified, that's the only data point you can use to compare it from a safety standpoint. Anything more is either just good marketing or butt-dyno claims.

A fleabag motel that costs $80/night and a luxury hotel room that costs $1000/night will still burn down the same if both buildings are up to fire code. The $920 difference mostly comes down to how comfortable a night of sleep you get.
 
I've had a few "cheap" helmets. The comfort and build quality of Shoei and Arai is so much better. You get what you pay for.

Even my AGV K6 which at the time I think was around $650, still couldn't touch the 10 year old Arai I had before it... but I wasn't going to get the Arai in the look that I wanted in time for my trip in 2023, and I wasn't going to pay Arai money and not get the color combo that I wanted... I've done 3 rides across Italy with the AGV, but, every now and then I put on the (now around 15 year old) Arai, and the Arai is still nicer :\

We had a good discussion about this a while back:


Honestly that whole blog post reads like something that was outsourced to an internet marketing company to create.

It's on AGV's website but includes images of helmets of other brands like Shoei and Arai?! Can you imagine going to Coca Cola's blog and looking at pictures of Pepsi, or going Nike's website and they're like hey check out this gear from Adidas and New Balance?

Who was sleeping at AGV and approved that piece? lol
 
Even my AGV K6 which at the time I think was around $650, still couldn't touch the 10 year old Arai I had before it... but I wasn't going to get the Arai in the look that I wanted in time for my trip in 2023, and I wasn't going to pay Arai money and not get the color combo that I wanted... I've done 3 rides across Italy with the AGV, but, every now and then I put on the (now around 15 year old) Arai, and the Arai is still nicer :\

I'm totally a sucker for good graphics too!

Also, I'm a recent Arai convert. Wife used to own an RX-7 back in the day, but after I got my Corsair X and XD-5, I find the fit and finish is top notch. Very much an Arai-fanboy right now.

The Schuberth is getting quite neglected in the display cabinet...
 
We had a good discussion about this a while back:

Good to know. I've had 2 helmets which I really like and they're both coming up on the 5 year mark.
 
Good to know. I've had 2 helmets which I really like and they're both coming up on the 5 year mark.

For sure.

Who came up with that whole "change your lid every 5 years" suggestion? The helmet manufacturers...

Ask a barber if you need a haircut, what's he gonna say?
 
That's not been my experience. I bought a shoei gt air 2 a couple years ago. Nothing about it is better than previous mid-range helmets I had, and in some ways it's worse (very clunky shield release mechanism). I doubt I'll buy another shoei.
The visor latch on my new AGV sucks compared to my old HJC. Correct I only buy 3 letter helmets.
 
I only buy 3 letter helmets.

Here's one that's right up your alley, then:


disclaimer: I feel like I need to point out that I am being sarcastic and it's made in jest. I am totally poking the bear with this post to get a reaction, lest it becomes misconstrued that it is being made seriously and in bad faith.
 
Here's one that's right up your alley, then:


disclaimer: I feel like I need to point out that I am being sarcastic and totally poking the bear with this post to get a reaction, lest it becomes misconstrued that it is being made seriously and in bad faith.
Thanks but I've already made the mistake of buying a bmw before. That and I only buy plain white lids.
Hard to get a CF helmet in plain white. People assume if you can pay for carbon you have to show it off. I was told AGV is one of the few who paint CF.
 
Thanks but I've already made the mistake of buying a bmw before. That and I only buy plain white lids.
Hard to get a CF helmet in plain white. People assume if you can pay for carbon you have to show it off. I was told AGV is one of the few who paint CF.
My next helmet will either be hi-vis or solid white.

Visibility and to help with the heat while riding.
 
My next helmet will either be hi-vis or solid white.
Visibility and to help with the heat while riding.

Full Stig or Go Home!

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Alpinestars, too... noice.
 
The visor latch on my new AGV sucks compared to my old HJC. Correct I only buy 3 letter helmets.
Bought an AGV TourMod for Bernadette, but it's too heavy so I'm using it. Visor pivot broke but is usable. Visor latch is a pos. Maybe another year with it, and then back to Arai.
 
All your features are non-safety related: quiet, easy to control, comfortable, warmer, heated shield.

So when you say your head is worth more than $200, it's more of a pamperin-your-noggin thing vs actual safety. A point was made a few posts above that if two helmets are both Snell or ECE tested and certified, that's the only data point you can use to compare it from a safety standpoint. Anything more is either just good marketing or butt-dyno claims.
It's about both.

I think the safety part is covered, I'm pretty sure both brands only offer SNELL & ECE approved.

One thing I've learned in 50 years of riding, gear comfort is a very large part of safety. If you're uncomfortable, if your gear doesn't fit right, you're increasing your risk as a rider.
 
It's about both.

I think the safety part is covered, I'm pretty sure both brands only offer SNELL & ECE approved.

One thing I've learned in 50 years of riding, gear comfort is a very large part of safety. If you're uncomfortable, if your gear doesn't fit right, you're increasing your risk as a rider.

Fair point.

However it would have to be the most egregious of comfort issues to actually cause a true concern for safety. Like a visor that you have to struggle with to remain latched. Not a liner that is made of cloth and not fine Corinthian leather...
 
Fair point.

However it would have to be the most egregious of comfort issues to actually cause a true concern for safety. Like a visor that you have to struggle with to remain latched. Not a liner that is made of cloth and not fine Corinthian leather...
I'll give you an example of comfort impacting safety. My son follwed my lead a few years ago and bought an RF SHOEI from Cycleworld. He wore it for a couple of years, it was a great quality helmet meeting top safety standards. It had 2 problems: 1) a windstream past the ears that caused an earache on long rides, and 2) too much cheek pressure that caused him to constantly adjust the chin.

Now, the latter was a fitting mistake made by the folks at Cycleworld, should not have happened. But the ear-aches were IMHO a design issue, I got them in my RF too.

The bottom line is that those were comfort issues. Anything distracting me while I'm riding is a safety issue.
 
I'll give you an example of comfort impacting safety. My son follwed my lead a few years ago and bought an RF SHOEI from Cycleworld. He wore it for a couple of years, it was a great quality helmet meeting top safety standards. It had 2 problems: 1) a windstream past the ears that caused an earache on long rides, and 2) too much cheek pressure that caused him to constantly adjust the chin.

Now, the latter was a fitting mistake made by the folks at Cycleworld, should not have happened. But the ear-aches were IMHO a design issue, I got them in my RF too.

The bottom line is that those were comfort issues. Anything distracting me while I'm riding is a safety issue.

Yes that would be an example of an egregious comfort issue causing safety concern.

Venting that directs airflow to the eyeball would be another, in my own experience. Cheap plastic visors that scratch easily and put up distractions or aberrations directly in line with your vision as well.

All of these not covered by SNELL, ECE or even FIM.

So I agree. But a blanket "comfort = safety" statement needs clarification. Nobody ever crashed because their liner was slightly rougher than a top-of-the line Arai or Schuberth. Or that the lid is 200 grams heavier than a carbon fibre shell. Some people dont have the budget to afford those helmets. Doesn't mean anything less is unsafe.
 
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