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mimico_polak

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True answer is....we investigated, didn’t like what we saw so we will delay the outrage until it’s a small simmer and then quietly release the information.
 

GreyGhost

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Grrr. I understand it is their legal right to avoid talking to SIU but we need to update the laws so the consequence for that action is immediate termination with cause and firearm prohibition.

The guns are finally being analyzed. Post mortem results for kid and dad have not come out of cfs yet.


 

justride

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The mere existence of the SIU will be a complete and utter disservice to the community if they cannot find out who shot the child.
What relationship the OPP have with the community is probably gone.
 

hdsomeday

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"Meanwhile, the agency is also awaiting results of post-mortem examinations done on the baby and the father. A post-mortem of the child was done on Nov. 28 and on the father on Dec. 4. "

Its been 6 weeks, give or take. Who is not releasing the results? and why ??
 

GreyGhost

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ToSlow

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Tragic but entirely expected. It may still turn out that the cops did nothing "wrong" but ended up with this tragic ending.

No matter the outcome on this one, it’s a sad day when a young innocent life has ended
 

nobbie48

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Tragic but entirely expected. It may still turn out that the cops did nothing "wrong" but ended up with this tragic ending.

The thing they did wrong was the stonewalling. Paranoia on their side creates paranoia on the other.
 

Mad Mike

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That's only partly on the cops. For whatever reason, SIU took months to send the firearms to be analyzed.
Thing is, SIU are mostly cops, one has to think they slow roll to help their brothers. Couple that with the typical 3 year internal investigation.

I think of those 52 year old OPP officers who are charged with corruption in the tow truck thing. They can hang around on the payroll for 3 years without working a day, then quit the minute before their hearing and collect a full pension. That's just not right.
 
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nobbie48

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That's only partly on the cops. For whatever reason, SIU took months to send the firearms to be analyzed.
Apparently the officers involved have yet to give statements to the SIU.

I know it happens in industry as well. I was involved in a product failure investigation and when I sat in on the examination the head of R&D started by saying "Let's see what we can find that puts the blame on the contractor."

Another one was an chief electrical engineer saying "We have to go over the spec to find a way of putting the mistake on the contractor" At least in that case the engineer added that they would make sure the contractor got an extra that was the fault of the client. All face saving.
 

Brian P

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^ It's one thing to say "as part of the investigation, let's go through the specification to ensure that it was followed", but the second part of that sentence is playing fast and loose with the code of ethics, and is a good way to get in trouble.

I refuse to do anything other than call things the way I see them.
 

nobbie48

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^ It's one thing to say "as part of the investigation, let's go through the specification to ensure that it was followed", but the second part of that sentence is playing fast and loose with the code of ethics, and is a good way to get in trouble.

I refuse to do anything other than call things the way I see them.
I won't lie to you and I won't lie for you.

I may give someone a heads up if I have to issue a negative report. It lets them prepare a defense.

One guy called me re an insurance claim. He was up front that he needed a report but wasn't going to pay for it unless it supported his claim. I got the insurance contact and phoned them advising them of why his claim was unrealistic.
 

GreyGhost

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I won't lie to you and I won't lie for you.

I may give someone a heads up if I have to issue a negative report. It lets them prepare a defense.

One guy called me re an insurance claim. He was up front that he needed a report but wasn't going to pay for it unless it supported his claim. I got the insurance contact and phoned them advising them of why his claim was unrealistic.
I had a client that wanted to pay X if I found the claim did not have merit or 3X if it did as the board would pick up the bill in that case. F that. Fired as a client. I don't want any part of that moral hazard. My report would have been unbiased, but when people start playing games out of the gate, life is too short to have those people in your world.
 

nobbie48

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I had a client that wanted to pay X if I found the claim did not have merit or 3X if it did as the board would pick up the bill in that case. F that. Fired as a client. I don't want any part of that moral hazard. My report would have been unbiased, but when people start playing games out of the gate, life is too short to have those people in your world.
That client may have had a reputation for under the table deals. His aroma could taint your world, guilt by association.
 

GreyGhost

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That client may have had a reputation for under the table deals. His aroma could taint your world, guilt by association.
Nothing that shady. Just a homeowner that thought they had an issue but didnt have the support of the board or the money to deal with it personally. I try to help people when I can, but covid hammered my available billable hours as I had the kids full-time so we couldnt come to an arrangement that worked for both of us.
 

GreyGhost

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So infuriating. So focused on "protecting the integrity of the investigation" that they release almost nothing. None of the officers involved are willing to talk to SIU. I agree that should be allowed but it should trigger immediate dismissal. How can you put someone back on the street with a gun that shot a baby and refused to discuss how it happened?
 

TwistedKestrel

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I was thinking about this case when the death of Rodger Kotanko came up. Is that being discussed already somewhere on GTAM?

Edit: Misspelled despite efforts to avoid it
 
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