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Beer store monopoly collapsing

Mr.K

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Reducing prices, increasing retailer and restaurant price flexibility will drive volume and profits for Beerco product. Reducing restaurant prices might also drive growth in their businesses... making more tax revenue and jobs for TBS workers.
Are there people that drink less at a bar/restaurant due to price? I don't know any; if they want a beer, they buy it, and if it were half the price they wouldn't get 2. It's either a matter of them being able to drive home if they're having just one or two, or having as much as they can handle/want if they aren't driving.
 

raginduck

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You have to remember the brewers are the ones who own TBS. So far you haven't heard a peep from the Beercos, the only saber rattling is the TBS union and brass. If disbanding the TBS meant more sales and profits for the Beercos, they'd toss TBS and their agreement aside in a heartbeat. That's the power the ON Gov't holds, they make the alcohol rules and for the most part do the price setting. Allowing Beercos direct access to large restaurant chains, mass retailers and distributors and releasing minimum price standards makes beer less expensive to the consumer.

Reducing prices, increasing retailer and restaurant price flexibility will drive volume and profits for Beerco product. Reducing restaurant prices might also drive growth in their businesses... making more tax revenue and jobs for TBS workers.

The prices shown below are in USD for Buffalo NY.

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The majority is owned by 3 huge, multi national brewers.. none of which are Canadian. The rest of the owners don't matter and have little to no say.
 

K20EF8

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yes, very bad story for TBS workers
very few will get similar golden-parachute jobs
Ill probably take some flack for this but...
Why should any job at TBS be a "golden parachute" job?
Does working at TBS require significant education or skills?
We are in 2019, times have changed, the job market is incredibly tough.
 

J_F

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Ill probably take some flack for this but...
Why should any job at TBS be a "golden parachute" job?
Does working at TBS require significant education or skills?
We are in 2019, times have changed, the job market is incredibly tough.
yup, TBS workers and the deal they have is a holdover from days past
most leaving there will struggle to find lucrative employment

I'm just at a stage in life where I see a massive reduction in standard of living
for anyone in my community as bad for it, and me

we have more than enough call centers and other minimum wage outfits here
don't need to add another 50 or so families to the rolls of the working poor
 

K20EF8

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yup, TBS workers and the deal they have is a holdover from days past
most leaving there will struggle to find lucrative employment

I'm just at a stage in life where I see a massive reduction in standard of living
for anyone in my community as bad for it, and me

we have more than enough call centers and other minimum wage outfits here
don't need to add another 50 or so families to the rolls of the working poor
I agree with you, it sucks. But why should public sector workers and unions be shielded from it? Gravy train days are over.
I always think of GM before they were bailed out.
You pay mostly high school educated people the equivalent of $69 USD (pay + benefits + pension + healthcare for worker and spouse), thats about $95 CAD an hour using the average historical exchange rate, in an area where the cost of living is low.
Some of their employees were so comfortable in their union backed jobs that they were out drinking at bars while on the clock.
Of course nobody gives a ****, lack of innovation, production of garbage products... what could go wrong lol

I have interacted with many teachers. Mostly middle aged woman and many who feel like they are hard done by.
Many became teachers when it was incredibly easy to, when it didnt require a university degree or when teachers college was at most, 8 months.
The average salary of a public sector teacher in Ontario is over $90000. They actually teach 4.5 hours a day, work only 200 days a year. They do not work on holidays, EVER. They have gold plated pensions and benefits. Job security the average person could only dream of.
Yet they all think they have it tough.
They would be in for a rude awakening in the real world.
 

mimico_polak

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Actually I worked at the Beer Store years and years ago....probably was 19-21 at the time and it was a great job. Got to drink on the job, drink after work for free from the 'damaged' inventory, and the pay/benefits/hours were great. That all changed about a decade or so ago. About the time when they found out they hired an alcoholic and gave him the keys...oops. He's clean now from all I know, and no other occurrence after that.
I still pop into the same store I worked in and a few of the same guys are still there but just working part time to keep their pension growing and holding on to the job as it's easy and fun. Hell I miss that job...one of my most fun jobs at the start of my career, should've stayed with it but I enjoyed my weekends too much...live and learn I guess.
 

Mad Mike

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yup, TBS workers and the deal they have is a holdover from days past
most leaving there will struggle to find lucrative employment

I'm just at a stage in life where I see a massive reduction in standard of living
for anyone in my community as bad for it, and me

we have more than enough call centers and other minimum wage outfits here
don't need to add another 50 or so families to the rolls of the working poor
So we ask the working poor to subsidize some cushy gov't created jobs? Not all, but many TBS make $30+/hr, get an annual $2500 kicker, full benefits, pension plan, and year leave of 4 weeks and a day. More than double the average retail / distribution payday.

Then ask them if they would be OK with paying $5 less for a case of beer bought from that same cashier at a local grocery store.
 

J_F

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yeah, figured most here would not agree
that's cool

and who says the working poor have to support well paid union workers?
beer is not a requirement to sustain a healthy family, it's a choice

and the price will not got down one cent over this
unless there is a restructuring of sin taxes
grocery stores all over the place sell beer now
and it's MORE expensive

you guys are fine with the race to the bottom
I'm not
 

Mad Mike

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yeah, figured most here would not agree
that's cool

and who says the working poor have to support well paid union workers?
beer is not a requirement to sustain a healthy family, it's a choice

and the price will not got down one cent over this
unless there is a restructuring of sin taxes
grocery stores all over the place sell beer now
and it's MORE expensive

you guys are fine with the race to the bottom
I'm not
You are right, working poor do not have to support TBS workers -- but they will buy beer and under a monopoly they have no choice. Also remember the $400million in costs recovered to pay for a redundant (which makes it inherently inefficient) TBS is built into the cost of beer.

I don't know how anyone in a modern economy can believe socialism and state protected monopolies protect us from a 'race to the bottom'. They protect a privileged few, the punish a great number more . Sooner or later social idealism runs out of money -- why do socialists always need to crash and burn before they understand?
 

J_F

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socialist....lol
wanting your neighbors to be comfortable
so your town doesn't turn into a sh*thole
is now socialism?? LMAO
 

K20EF8

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socialist....lol
wanting your neighbors to be comfortable
so your town doesn't turn into a sh*thole
is now socialism?? LMAO
Its about being fair.
Why should someone who works at the beer store (government run monopoly) be entitled to $60K a year + bonus + benefits + pension + 4 weeks vacation. The tax payers are paying for that cushy gig.

Why are TTC drivers and token collectors making 70K + benefits + pension + job security, before overtime?
The entitlement of some of them.
Taken right off Reddit regarding TTC bus drivers:

"Am I worth it? You bet. Just like a pilot, I'm responsible for the safety of my customers. Driving a large vehicle at any speed in this city is fraught with danger. Why should I get any less than a pilot? I don't have a co-pilot or cruise control."

These people are so delusional they actually believe they should be making the same as a commercial airline pilot who has to have years of experience flying ($$$$$$) just to qualify for the job. Not to mention flying a jet is FAR harder than a bus and the consequences of a mistake are far greater, deaths of hundreds of people and economic impact of hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.
 

crankcall

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this ones taklen some odd turns. An organization run by the worlds biggest capitalists may be closet socialists, the taxpayers fund payroll at TBS, and bus drivers and comercial pilots may be on an even playing field, even though a AC pilot on the 777 makes just shy of 270K.

Why should TBS store guys get 70-80K, public school teachers get 90K and a TTC driver get 70-80??? because they can. Thats how it actually works, you make your best deal in life. Want to work 4.5hrs in the class, 200 days a year, go be a teacher. They figured it out. I wouldn't trade places with any of them.
 

raginduck

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yeah, figured most here would not agree
that's cool

and who says the working poor have to support well paid union workers?
beer is not a requirement to sustain a healthy family, it's a choice

and the price will not got down one cent over this
unless there is a restructuring of sin taxes
grocery stores all over the place sell beer now
and it's MORE expensive


you guys are fine with the race to the bottom
I'm not
That will change the second the contract with the beer store is gone. That contract limits who can sell what, where and for how much.
 

busabim

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Fak em all, the LCBO should be next. The rest of us can no longer afford to support these antiquated union monopolies.
 

PrivatePilot

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Lots of interesting "facts" in this thread, I agree.

I make great money in my job as a commercial driver. Above the industry average, actually. And yes, I'm unionized. But I'm also a very safe professional with decades of experience. Now, it's a race to the bottom in my industry. Everyone wants more for less. Shippers and customers don't want to pay our rates anymore, everyone wants the cheapest possible method to get their widgets from point A to B for pennies. So, companies hire drivers with piss poor training from what are effectively driver mills, contract companies driving total **** equipment that can't possibly be properly maintained for what the companies are charging, and a huge portion of the drivers behind the wheels of these trucks are not operating anywhere close to legally.

And people are surprised that truck accidents are on the rise and professionalism has fallen off a cliff?

Sometimes you get what you pay for.

Anyhow, as I said earlier in this thread, I'm no fan of TBS in the greater scheme of things, but I don't take out my spite on the employees or the fact they make a good living wage...its the company in the greater scheme (foreign conglomerate owned) as well as the monopoly that irks me more.

As others have said, prices will NOT drop as a result of beer being available in a corner store...to the contrary, I expect it'll probably be MORE expensive in those convenient locations. The key word being..."convenient". I can walk to my corner store and pickup a six pack to sit with beside the pool, but I can't walk to my nearest beer store. Will choice at the corner store be the same? Nope. Will it be cheaper? Doubt it. I'll still end up going to TBS on occasion for the premium brands I enjoy (doubt corner stores will carry that, they'll likely cater to the buck a beer crowd) so TBS won't disappear, but I also don't agree with inconveniencing an entire province to cater to a monopoly.
 

busabim

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The china effect affects all industries, services, and it is truly a race to the bottom. Couple that with technology, AI , and there will be no work soon for the masses.

The rise of the machines was not so fictional after all....
 

crankcall

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Visit Alberta , selection went down and prices went up . Privatization in Ontario would be just dumb. The LCBO has the best buying power of any booze outlet in the world , the prices are mostly tax and if Fred at the corner sells it , he can charge whatever he wants PLUS the tax.
TBS is an anomaly in our market , but regardless of who sells beer , the taxes won’t change , convenience maybe , but joe twofour is never getting the break he thinks he will.
Doughy is dilussional, his buck a beer plan was based on the 70’s .


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J_F

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snip...... companies hire drivers with piss poor training from what are effectively driver mills, contract companies driving total **** equipment that can't possibly be properly maintained for what the companies are charging, and a huge portion of the drivers behind the wheels of these trucks are not operating anywhere close to legally.
when we get to the bottom
we get Humboldt
 

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