Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Something like 200km. May be adequate or may be useless depending on the driving profile. Level 1 charger would be rough if you are close to max range every day as it takes ~25 hours from empty to full. Vehicles with larger packs are more forgiving with leaving in the morning not fully charged and use the weekend to catch up and get back to full.
 
Something like 200km. May be adequate or may be useless depending on the driving profile. Level 1 charger would be rough if you are close to max range every day as it takes ~25 hours from empty to full. Vehicles with larger packs are more forgiving with leaving in the morning not fully charged and use the weekend to catch up and get back to full.
I'm thinking it being used as a second vehicle for shopping and errands. For people renting level 1 saves installation costs.

Or make it the prime vehicle and rent ICE for the odd out of town haul where range could be an issue.
 
I went with a workmate yesterday to the local Fiat dealership to check out the 500e. He having a really hard time with the size but he has 2 kids that work and go to Uni and he's down a vehicle. Out the door 4 year lease with 0 down is $219.88 a month.

He's a big Greek guy, says it would be awesome on Crete where he's from but stopping at a light surrounded by pickup trucks here was disconcerting.

I'd drive the **** out of it personally, it's quick and quiet but it's hard to reconcile the size when your surrounded by much bigger vehicles here.

Next one up we looked at was a Niro EV like I have. Substantial jump at $450 monthly lease and still looks small. I suggested he buy a used car for now and wait for the Chinese EV options or a Kia EV3 or EV2 if it comes here.
That's almost cheap enough to buy one just to drive to work and would save me 200 or more in gas

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Smoking deal as a 2nd city runabout/commuter:

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Tempting! $250 with taxes in a month and 24,000 annual kms over 3 years. Might need tires at the end of the lease but, can’t imagine maintenance costs too high. Brakes? Maybe from lack of use? Oil changes? There are some fluids but, suspect they are lifetime and no change required. Hand back the keys and ciao!
 
Tempting! $250 with taxes in a month and 24,000 annual kms over 3 years. Might need tires at the end of the lease but, can’t imagine maintenance costs too high. Brakes? Maybe from lack of use? Oil changes? There are some fluids but, suspect they are lifetime and no change required. Hand back the keys and ciao!
12.5c/km vehicle cost plus <5c/km power (fuel), maintenance close to zero. May be the cheapest wheels around if if it can do the job for you. For the 12K in lease payments, you could get a 10 yo 200k km corolla that burns ~10c/km in gas plus fluids plus maintenance and it's hard for the ICE to win.

You can pick up a used 2024 w 18k km for $23K if you prefer to own. For a vehicle with a sticker of $42K, I don't think I would want to own. That is phenomenal depreciation.
 
You can pick up a used 2024 w 18k km for $23K if you prefer to own. For a vehicle with a sticker of $42K, I don't think I would want to own. That is phenomenal depreciation.
That's the problem just now with battery tech changing so quickly lease makes all sorts of sense. Get the fixed monthly cost you need then walk away.

What's going to be the "toyota corolla" of EVs .
Even with the ability to upgrade the batteries to current tech the Leaf isn't quite it.

With lower battery costs looming and very long cycle life of emerging battery tech, the coming gen of EVs should not have that much depreciation.

It may be you never look at a vehicle as any sort of investment but rather as a monthly cost period with the only variable being charging costs.

I wonder if fire risk and outsized repair cost are weighing on insurance costs.
 
Well I just got off the phone with him 10 minutes ago. He went back with his daughter tonight and she wants the Armani 500e. So he's all in for $246 monthly, picks it up next Tuesday. I said I'd give him my old 16amp level 2 charger, will fully charge his Fiat in 8 hours.

Dealer sold/leased 4 in 2 days. They're going fast now with that 5k rebate. Fiat made an adjustment on the loan terms but the lease hasn't changed from what I can see.

Edit, He sent me a pic. Cute little car.
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Tempting! $250 with taxes in a month and 24,000 annual kms over 3 years. Might need tires at the end of the lease but, can’t imagine maintenance costs too high. Brakes? Maybe from lack of use? Oil changes? There are some fluids but, suspect they are lifetime and no change required. Hand back the keys and ciao!
I did a quick check on maintenance in the owner's manual , page 178 , there's a cabin air filter every 2 years/32K Km and battery coolant replacement at 10 years/240k km. Everything else is just inspection. Tires are 17" so not that expensive either, at least compared to the vehicles running 18-22".
 
Well I just got off the phone with him 10 minutes ago. He went back with his daughter tonight and she wants the Armani 500e. So he's all in for $246 monthly, picks it up next Tuesday. I said I'd give him my old 16amp level 2 charger, will fully charge his Fiat in 8 hours.

Dealer sold/leased 4 in 2 days. They're going fast now with that 5k rebate. Fiat made an adjustment on the loan terms but the lease hasn't changed from what I can see.

Edit, He sent me a pic. Cute little car.
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They may be the ugliest stock wheels I have seen but if the kid's happy and the price is right, it's a win.

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Tempting! $250 with taxes in a month and 24,000 annual kms over 3 years. Might need tires at the end of the lease but, can’t imagine maintenance costs too high. Brakes? Maybe from lack of use? Oil changes? There are some fluids but, suspect they are lifetime and no change required. Hand back the keys and ciao!
That IS taxes in.

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Yup! For a second car, run about town, it’s not a bad option. Might have to tint the windows to avoid being seen or put a bumper sticker on saying it’s the wife car or something like that.


Some folks get golf carts to run around the neighborhood. I’d get one of these. 😆


The maintenance costs would be near zero. Hoping others may follow suit. Watching Leaf and Bolt to see if they come down.


At the end of the day, those used 500 coming off lease are gonna be dirt cheap too!

I know Fiat isn’t know for their quality but, leasing a cheapo new one just to run around it is appealing.


Then again, I’m paying for a motorcycle and looking to ride that as much as I can this season.
 
Yup! For a second car, run about town, it’s not a bad option. Might have to tint the windows to avoid being seen or put a bumper sticker on saying it’s the wife car or something like that.


Some folks get golf carts to run around the neighborhood. I’d get one of these. 😆


The maintenance costs would be near zero. Hoping others may follow suit. Watching Leaf and Bolt to see if they come down.


At the end of the day, those used 500 coming off lease are gonna be dirt cheap too!

I know Fiat isn’t know for their quality but, leasing a cheapo new one just to run around it is appealing.


Then again, I’m paying for a motorcycle and looking to ride that as much as I can this season.
A smaller car leaves more room in the garage for another bike.
 
A smaller car leaves more room in the garage for another bike.
No doubt! And I’m old enough not to care what others think of me while driving it.


My experiences with the PHEV for work has been positive as I find places to plug in while conducting business. The range of the 500 would keep me closer to the west end of the GTA and avoid trips to Whitby etc but, I could still do it and even charge and get back in a reasonable time.

In reality, it’s plenty enough range to do 90%/95% of the running around we do unrelated to work. Probably could work for my wife’s work as she never goes father than Hamilton/Grimsby.
 
When I ran it trough their build section on the website I get $39 weekly lease for 36 months????

I did not see any lease term options, but I also did not look too hard....
 
When I ran it trough their build section on the website I get $39 weekly lease for 36 months????

I did not see any lease term options, but I also did not look too hard....
There is a checkbox for more detailed calculations. That allows you to change length, frequency, mileage, etc.
 
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