Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

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I gotta say the up front cost of any new car (ice or ev) is discouraging. And used ev can also be either high cost or battery degradation concerns. They maybe unfounded but, still lingers when considering something different from the usual.

Our auto repair shop that handles our oil changes and maintenance is established and trusted and EVs or hybrids is not in their wheelhouse. So, I’d have to bring it to a dealer which can be anxiety inducing. The earth isn’t replacing the natural resources we are using at the rate we consume them. Eventually we will run out. Hopefully tech advances enough before that happens.

I’m gonna run our petro machines until something breaks and the cost to fix surpasses logic and reason to keep them.

I’m still eyeing used Chev Bolts but, even used are commanding larger bucks than I’m willing to part with. Maybe I need to adjust my expectations.
 
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Keep in mind that EV's are pretty darned simple when compared to a traditional ICE drivetrain.

I understand the fear, but if people actually visualized at the literally hundreds and hundreds of moving parts in a traditional internal combustion engine and transmission vs an electric drivetrain and it should be reassuring to be driving an EV, not worrisome.

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Last chart has 2 more moving parts vs the first chart, it includes a cooling fan and the bearings which is fair.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Keep in mind that EV's are pretty darned simple when compared to a traditional ICE drivetrain.

I understand the fear, but if people actually visualized at the literally hundreds and hundreds of moving parts in a traditional internal combustion engine and transmission vs an electric drivetrain and it should be reassuring to be driving an EV, not worrisome.

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Last chart has 2 more moving parts vs the first chart, it includes a cooling fan and the bearings which is fair.
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Mechanically less complex but closed source software and right to repair issues more than nullify that advantage.
The manufacturer has the customer by the short hairs from the moment that they sign the purchase contract.
 
Dirty Frank said:
Mechanically less complex but closed source software and right to repair issues more than nullify that advantage.
The manufacturer has the customer by the short hairs from the moment that they sign the purchase contract.
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What modern ice car doesn't have the same issues? If one of the many computers fails, they are often unavailable from oem (backorder for months or more) and require programming to work with each specific car. Any manufacturer can choose whether to facilitate or be actively hostile towards right to repair. Your argument has almost nothing to do with ice vs battery.
 
GreyGhost said:
What modern ice car doesn't have the same issues? If one of the many computers fails, they are often unavailable from oem (backorder for months or more) and require programming to work with each specific car. Any manufacturer can choose whether to facilitate or be actively hostile towards right to repair. Your argument has almost nothing to do with ice vs battery.
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The argument was the lack of complexity with a EV.
Even with the added complexity your typical internal combustion auto can be repaired with parts swapping while the EV is bricked without manufacturer intervention.
 
Dirty Frank said:
The argument was the lack of complexity with a EV.
Even with the added complexity your typical internal combustion auto can be repaired with parts swapping while the EV is bricked without manufacturer intervention.
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That's true for the mechanical bits on either drivetrain and potentially not true for the dozen computers on either drivetrain. It depends how successful the manufacturer was with forcing dealer authentication for computer swaps.
 
Dirty Frank said:
Even with the added complexity your typical internal combustion auto can be repaired with parts swapping
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You can parts swap lots of parts on EV's just fine, providing they are not VIN locked or require VIN programming, same as countless ICE vehicles as well. But right to repair laws mean that consumers can get ahold of dealer level tools that allow them to do all of that as well if they want, and of course many independent shops already have this stuff as the computer tools you would need for an EV are the same as they would need for an ICE in the end.

And one thing is for sure, there is a huge community that pops up around every EV out there and it doesn't take long for people to figure stuff out in the DIY crowd. The Volt community for example is seriously deep at this point to the point where there's basically nothing that peopl haven't been able to fix in their own driveways now, no dealer required.

So, this isn't the big deal some envision.
 
PrivatePilot said:
You can parts swap lots of parts on EV's just fine, providing they are not VIN locked or require VIN programming, same as countless ICE vehicles as well. But right to repair laws mean that consumers can get ahold of dealer level tools that allow them to do all of that as well if they want, and of course many independent shops already have this stuff as the computer tools you would need for an EV are the same as they would need for an ICE in the end.

And one thing is for sure, there is a huge community that pops up around every EV out there and it doesn't take long for people to figure stuff out in the DIY crowd. The Volt community for example is seriously deep at this point to the point where there's basically nothing that peopl haven't been able to fix in their own driveways now, no dealer required.

So, this isn't the big deal some envision.
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They say that there are some smoking deals on like new Fisker EV's JS.
 
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Dirty Frank said:
They say that there are some smoking deals on like new Fisker EV's JS.
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My buddy bought 2. The 7 and 9 models and loves them.

Beautiful inside and out but there was something odd about driving them…and it’s not because their EVs.

The MachE drives so much better. Hell even the bolt was better.
 
I wonder how much he’ll love them when one day one of them breaks down and there is no replacement parts available for a simple module or whatever.
 
PrivatePilot said:
I wonder how much he’ll love them when one day one of them breaks down and there is no replacement parts available for a simple module or whatever.
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For dead brands, there might be a business case for a company to buy the vast majority of the stock and then lease them out with repairs included (or use as a rental fleet although EV rentals are normally an awful idea). Build institutional knowledge on how to fix them without manufacturer support. The viability mainly depends on how cheap you can acquire the fleet. Conceptually, I would rather lease a fiskar than a tesla. It mostly comes down to price though.
 
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He's normally pretty good but that was far from his best. As a start he seems to be focused on hybrids with somewhat large battery packs that allow engine to be off for many minutes at a time. That topology is the exception, not the rule.

When was the last time you heard of a major engine failure in a hybrid? Theoretically shorter life is not a big deal. Alternative strategies to chase fuel economy like cylinder deactivation make a big difference in engine life.
 
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