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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Brian P

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That video - with regular vehicles on the roads - also makes me question crash-structure compatibility with other vehicles. This is already a big enough issue with current-production heavy duty pickups.
 

Lunatic

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That video - with regular vehicles on the roads - also makes me question crash-structure compatibility with other vehicles. This is already a big enough issue with current-production heavy duty pickups.
I can just imagine what would happen if a cybertruck was involved in a collision with an average compact car or SUV.
 

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Further analysis of that video clarified the concerns I have about the safety of this vehicle to other road users. I have expressed my concerns on an engineering forum in which this is under discussion. Hopefully that discussion finds its way to someone who gives a crap. I don't think Tesla gives a crap as it stands right now, but hopefully it finds its way to someone in a position to tell them that they have to give a crap.
 

LePhillou

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Further analysis of that video clarified the concerns I have about the safety of this vehicle to other road users. I have expressed my concerns on an engineering forum in which this is under discussion. Hopefully that discussion finds its way to someone who gives a crap. I don't think Tesla gives a crap as it stands right now, but hopefully it finds its way to someone in a position to tell them that they have to give a crap.
But wouldn't that ship have sailed as soon as, in North America, we decided to go after SUV and Pickups as our main fleet of vehicles? The quantity of Tesla Cybertrucks are going to be quite minimal in comparison. The first year the model 3 was out, there weren't many out there on the streets... and i think this type of truck will be in a similar situation. It'll be a unicorn at first...As soon as theres a tragedy you can be sure that they'll make changes... then there's also the driving aids and cameras on the car that are equivalent (and superior?) to what you find in other trucks

But overall, SUV + Pickup in their current numbers on the road make it more dangerous for smaller cars, motorcyclists, cyclists and pedestrians. So i don't see how much more danger will be added on the roads with the addition of one other car model on the streets.
 

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But wouldn't that ship have sailed as soon as, in North America, we decided to go after SUV and Pickups as our main fleet of vehicles? The quantity of Tesla Cybertrucks are going to be quite minimal in comparison. The first year the model 3 was out, there weren't many out there on the streets... and i think this type of truck will be in a similar situation. It'll be a unicorn at first...As soon as theres a tragedy you can be sure that they'll make changes... then there's also the driving aids and cameras on the car that are equivalent (and superior?) to what you find in other trucks

But overall, SUV + Pickup in their current numbers on the road make it more dangerous for smaller cars, motorcyclists, cyclists and pedestrians. So i don't see how much more danger will be added on the roads with the addition of one other car model on the streets.
The simple answer is the rule making overlords require manufacturers to consider the fate of pedestrians that vehicles run over. Complying with these mandatory rules constrains vehicle design. By completely ignoring these rules, Tesla could release a blank sheet design and probably even get permission for a vehicle test program on the road (hell, they let vehicles drive themselves with auto braking disabled, how much worse could this be?). When it comes time to sell to the public, they have to comply, that will almost certainly mandate large changes in the design. Given their past history though, I could see Tesla taking an end-run around convention to come up with a solution that allows their design and compliance with the regulations (I'm thinking something like airbags for pedestrians triggered by radar when the appropriate conditions are met).
 

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Canoo began testing on the road in early November. I'm still not convinced, but they have some really interesting ideas.

Here is the view out the front. Basically you have a sight line to the top of the bumper.
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What this weird window looks like from the outside:

Pricing is monthly subscription for a rumored ~500 USD which includes insurance and maintenance. That was a lot lower than I was expecting.

A well-known contract manufacturer is building the vehicles (what a great idea Elon).

Haha, they argue they have taken design simplicity to a whole new level by not providing any screens. You have to put your smartphone in a dock to see what is going on. I can't see that making it to production. You need to have at least speed, range and some warning lights built in.
 

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EuroNCAP has released their crash-testing video for the Porsche Taycan. This is as exemplary as it gets, 5-star rating. I would expect no less from this manufacturer in this day and age.


This vehicle is not built out of flat sheets of 3mm steel plate ...
 

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Last night in CT. Hit a cop car stopped on the interstate for an accident, lights on, flares set behind cruiser. Driver rear ended the cruiser and the disabled car it was stopped for. Autopilot was on and driver was checking on his dog in the back seat at the time. :rolleyes:

 

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In news that should surprise no one, base CT production has been delayed by at least a year. They are only producing the most expensive versions first. Sound familiar?
 

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Last night in CT. Hit a cop car stopped on the interstate for an accident, lights on, flares set behind cruiser. Driver rear ended the cruiser and the disabled car it was stopped for. Autopilot was on and driver was checking on his dog in the back seat at the time. :rolleyes:

I wonder if Elon could be sued?
 

GreyGhost

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Last night in CT. Hit a cop car stopped on the interstate for an accident, lights on, flares set behind cruiser. Driver rear ended the cruiser and the disabled car it was stopped for. Autopilot was on and driver was checking on his dog in the back seat at the time. :rolleyes:

It boggles the mind that the government has not shut down this idiocy. It is a great idea, but beta testing it with public lives is insanity. If they wanted the apparent increas in safety without the marketing wank, install the sensors and set off an alarm in the car if they sense danger. That way the driver has to drive and doesnt rely on the car to crash for them.
 

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Government, insurance companies, and the general public have been sold on the idea that the computer will eliminate drunk driving and human error. I'm also surprised that Tesla hasn't been given a cease and desist.
 

Mad Mike

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It boggles the mind that the government has not shut down this idiocy. It is a great idea, but beta testing it with public lives is insanity. If they wanted the apparent increas in safety without the marketing wank, install the sensors and set off an alarm in the car if they sense danger. That way the driver has to drive and doesnt rely on the car to crash for them.
This is happening here too. I was driving down the 404 last weekend, a lady heading south was marking papers on her steering wheel of her Tesla, she didn't look up from hwy 7 till almost Sheppard. I watched dumbfounded for a minute then asked my wife to film it. By the time she figured out my phone and I got into a position to film her she noticed what me and started driving.
 

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Self driving is coming, it's inevitable. But what we have now is the infancy stage where it does seem like we are the beta testers.

What will really make it take a quantum leap towards mainstream is when the technology for cars to communicate with each other about their location, intentions, etc etc arrives - it's coming, but hopefully the automakers can stop playing games and agree on a standard so that we don't have another DVD vs BlueRay scenario that sets back the progression of the technology a decade until someone who thinks "ours ie better" (Cough, Tesla) relents and goes with the standard.

Right now, every self driving car implementation "fends for itself" with what is effectively mostly visual cues, and little more. That usually works great. Until it doesn't.
 

FullMotoJacket

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hopefully the automakers can stop playing games and agree on a standard so that we don't have another HDD vs BlueRay
FTFY

VHS vs. BetaMax would have been a better analogy. It was a long, drawn out fight. Even although it was better and the porn industry was backing it, HDD was barely around for a cup of coffee in comparison.
 

PrivatePilot

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I was going to say Beta vs VHS but I'm starting to wonder with the age group around here how many members actually lived through that era. I made the reference to my 19 + 21 year old kids a few weeks back and both looked at me like deer in the headlights.
 

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