A* kijiji ad... Fake?

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MacDoc said:
From looking around Alpinstars is controlling the retail price tightly - that can leave room for a small player to be much cheaper.

But then hard to know if it's a fake

Price: FOB USD 26.8~36.8 / Pair

http://sbs-hk.by-trade-shows.com/alpinestars-S1-leather-gloves-P8112.html
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when I was researching opening up a moto online store I had a distributor send me their terms and conditions and clearly stated that the MSRP must be adhered to. However, I'm sure someone can put up an ad on kijiji and circumvent that rule without putting up the actual store info.

A small player would be hard pressed to compete mainly as price needs to be the same so breaking in is the tough part.

Either way do your research as there are fakes running around all over the place.
 
MacDoc said:
Your distributor was breaking the law.
It is illegal to price fix.
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Price fixing would be astars colluding with other glove manufacurers to eliminate competition and keep prices high.

Not a wholesaler telling a retailer what they have to sell an item for
 
kellen said:
Price fixing would be astars colluding with other glove manufacurers to eliminate competition and keep prices high.

Not a wholesaler telling a retailer what they have to sell an item for
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A manufacturer can not tell a retailer what to sell them for. Only what their cost is. Anything over and above is fair play. Obviously the larger retailers buying larger quantities get bigger discounts or volume rebates. But no manufacturer can dictate the sell price if they are using a distribution network of non company owned retailers or distributors. That's why they legally have to call it "suggested" manufacturer list price.
 
HOOPSALES said:
A manufacturer can not tell a retailer what to sell them for. Only what their cost is. Anything over and above is fair play. Obviously the larger retailers buying larger quantities get bigger discounts or volume rebates. But no manufacturer can dictate the sell price if they are using a distribution network of non company owned retailers or distributors. That's why they legally have to call it "suggested" manufacturer list price.
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The manufacturer didn't tell them.to sell it at $X, the wholesaler did
 
kellen said:
The manufacturer didn't tell them.to sell it at $X, the wholesaler did
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I guess my point is. Competition law states no supplier can dictate what you sell an item for. They can only dictate your cost or not sell you the product.

It's pretty cut and dry.
 
Story: apparently
Brother owns a small store in the states. He has to buy a certain number of gloves to keep A*. What he doesn't sell (last years gloves) he brings up here.
Have to look at them to see if there are any tell tale signs but apparently some of the fakes are nearly identical tough to really know what you're getting nowadays till they blow up when you go down.
 
SFer said:
Story: apparently
Brother owns a small store in the states. He has to buy a certain number of gloves to keep A*. What he doesn't sell (last years gloves) he brings up here.
Have to look at them to see if there are any tell tale signs but apparently some of the fakes are nearly identical tough to really know what you're getting nowadays till they blow up when you go down.
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Or you can just purchase from an authorized A* dealer and feel confident it's legit.
 
HOOPSALES said:
I guess my point is. Competition law states no supplier can dictate what you sell an item for. They can only dictate your cost or not sell you the product.

It's pretty cut and dry.
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im going to look further into it then because that would def make more sense. Dealing on a strictly price basis would be horrible for business however with no bricks and mortar then that could be a goos side business.
 
There is no way to tell a good fake from real unless you are very familiar with the original.

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Mimico if you've not run a business online before I'd be very cautious - disintermediation is alive and well and unless you can find a very small niche that's not well served it's a horror.
A seasonable and ever changing biz like mcycle gear is very rough.
 
Hey, I'm def not interested in dealing with gear and fighting tooth and nail to survive in order to sell some gear. I'm continually looking for manufacturers needing some representation here in Ontario but it's def proving harder than I thought. I'll keep looking but right now seems like everyone has some type of rep here already.

I looked into being a rep for Twisted Throttle, but then again they already have 4-5 in the region. So it's price only and the established players have been around for a while. Price of entry isn't too bad, $750 of beginning inventory but they're the ones that told me I can't set my own prices.

I'll keep looking, maybe focus on one or two maintenance items and take it from there.
 
HOOPSALES said:
I guess my point is. Competition law states no supplier can dictate what you sell an item for. They can only dictate your cost or not sell you the product.

It's pretty cut and dry.
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That is WRONG. Any Wholesaler/Brand/Distributor etc. can give you a MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing) for any of their items! If you dont follow their rules, they can cut you off.

Many industries do it, and many of the larger brands do it to keep retailers with their profit margins and also to protect their brand.
 
Phred said:
That is WRONG. Any Wholesaler/Brand/Distributor etc. can give you a MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing) for any of their items! If you dont follow their rules, they can cut you off.

Many industries do it, and many of the larger brands do it to keep retailers with their profit margins and also to protect their brand.
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So I guess my last sentence saying they can cut you off or not sell you the product is different then you saying the same "they can cut you off"

Wether you call it MAP or MSLP or SMLP it's all "suggested" pricing.

Again a retailer can sell below cost if they are freeing up inventory dollars. No manufacturer has control of that.

Like you said. They do have control wether that dealer gets their product in the future.

I work for one of the worlds largest manufacturers and manage their distribution system in central Ontario. I'd hope. My competition law training is correct.
 
I think the part that people miss is that selling name brand below MSRP "usually" means there is no longer a relationship with the distributor and/or the manufacturer so warranty "may" be an issue. People are free to sell at whatever price they set, however there could be consequences. Old stock, especially gloves, always seems to end up at the bike show in January, along with the sausage, pepperoni and beef jerky. That's why I love that show.
 
I'm 100% certain there was a post on this topic. There are also known counterfeits out there of lesser quality. Buyer beware.
 
skapan said:
I think the part that people miss is that selling name brand below MSRP "usually" means there is no longer a relationship with the distributor and/or the manufacturer so warranty "may" be an issue. People are free to sell at whatever price they set, however there could be consequences. Old stock, especially gloves, always seems to end up at the bike show in January, along with the sausage, pepperoni and beef jerky. That's why I love that show.
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This is pretty much what I was told. MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing) must be shown on the net and in all advertising, BUT you can sell for whatever you want on an individual basis with each customer.
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