Where to get a puppy?

@mimico_polak I've only read the first and last page of this thread, where all I've seen are positive posts. Hopefully others have already mentioned some of this things I'm about to, because you really need to go into this with your eyes open. Dogs are like children that never grow up. They will never become any more self-sufficient than the day you get them, and if you're a germaholic/clean freak like I was, get ready for a meltdown. If this will be your and your wife's first dog, you'll want to try dog-sitting for a friend on vacation for at least a week or more to really understand how it might uproot your lifestyle.

While I love our Pekingese Maltese, thank god I was originally dead set against her and made my wife agree that if she insisted on bringing her home, I would have zero responsibility for anything to do with her. That includes:
- waking up 2 hours earlier than normal to feed, walk, wash, and dry her every morning, which can also be in the freezing cold dead of winter trudging through a foot of snow before the streets have been plowed, or while hoping your umbrella doesn't collape or get blown away but the torrential rain and wind
- always having to come home straight after work to prevent or deal with separation anxiety and to walk, wash, and dry her again, as well as possibly to clean up after an occasional accident (usually just pee, but sometimes worse)
- never being able to stay out late at parties because you need to get home to walk, wash, and dry her again
- waking up in the middle of the night to walk, wash, and dry her when her stomach acts up from something she probably ate on he last walk when you weren't paying attention and she wants to go outside and eat grass
- having to beg and plead for someone to watch her whenever we need to go anywhere overnight
- budgeting for shots and regular checkups at the vet or worse when there's a problem (luckily we only had one scare that thankfully cost just $2000 for an x-ray and overnight stay at the pet hospital)
- budgeting for regular grooming
- budgeting for dog food
- budgeting for dog (and owner) training

And that's all assuming the dog is well-mannered. As our first, we didn't know what we were doing and ours developed separation anxiety as well as aggressiveness. She barks at pretty much everyone and lunges at people and cars passing by on her walks and actually bit one person while my daughter was walking her - luckily they didn't sue us. We tried training her, but I was the only person taking it seriously. If every single person in the household doesn't understand how to act in front of the dog, no amount of training will be successful. A friend of mine insists I should make her wear a shock collar, but I think that's cruel.

As I said, I do love our dog, but my wife agrees that she'll probably be our last. Mostly because at 15 years old she's at the max of her life expectancy for either breed. Hopefullt the cross breeding helps, but we've already started to see signs of her aging like diminished hearing and sight. Sometimes we get sad just looking at her and wondering if she's still breathing, and dread the day she leaves us. And out of everything she's put us though so far, that's the one thing we don't think we'd be able to handle a second time.
 
After our first pair of dogs passed away, we decided our next ones had to be small enough for my wife to easily lift, as our 80 lb dog's hip issues were tough on her with the many stairs in our house. We searched locally for a not-too-big-not-too-small dog for quite a while with no luck (lots of Chihuahuas and Shepherds/Staffies, though!), so eventually found and adopted two mutts from a rescue in Korea. They have opposite personalities, one is brash and the other is anxious, but they're perfect for each other.

A few notes from our experience...

Pet Insurance: A mixed bag. Probably the smartest option is putting what you'd pay in premiums into a dedicated fund instead. You build a pool for emergencies and get to keep what you don't use. We've seen both sides: insurance basically broke even on one dog's $7,000 surgery, but for our other dog, we paid for years and got almost nothing back due to the deductible. All that said, we have insurance on both our young pups simply because we never want to be forced to decide on coverage based on cost.

Walks: Don't underestimate the time commitment. We walk ours several times a day, which has been a huge positive. It gets us more exercise, we're a lot more social with our neighbors, and my wife and I get quality time together without screens. Having a park or varied routes nearby helps keep it from getting boring, which we're lucky enough to have. Living in the country was surprisingly crap for dog walking, really only two options, and neither was a loop unless you really wanted to make an expedition out of it.

Cover for being away: Having people you trust to watch the dogs helps a lot for travel. We're in Italy for a few weeks at the moment, and it wouldn't be possible without my sister helping out. Boarding is expensive and isn't a good fit for every dog, especially anxious ones.

We love having our dogs, but it's not for everyone. It's sad to see dogs that only get let into the backyard. They need to get out and sniff to get mental stimulation, as they literally see the world through their noses. Getting one that's a good fit for your lifestyle can make it a lot less of a burden, especially with kids and other demands. Don't get a Border Collie unless you can give it a job to do nearly constantly, don't get a bulldog if you want to go on jogs or long walks, and don't get a dachshund if you want a dog to wrestle with the kids.

Good luck with it. We wouldn't trade ours for anything, and they bring so much joy into the home. Losing them is absolutely brutal, worse than losing people in many cases because of how intertwined your lives get, but it is all worth it.
 
I would suggest being very careful with Rez dogs or any of the current crop of Caribbean rescues being brought to Ontario . My daughter has two Rez dogs from the NWT . One took three yrs to develop any trust issues beyond her and the other eight yrs in is nuts . They have no guests in and walk her alone at five am and eleven when they are very unlikely to encounter another dog . While there are a lot of success stories , friend a “travel nurse” brought a large Shepard mix home from Hudson Bay , it’s at a six week boot camp as it has developed aggression and bit three people . My daughter worked as a vet tech for a few yrs in Ft Mac . She has literally worked with sled dog packs , security guard dogs , the police canine unit and fluffy the Maltese that thought he was a cat .
Dogs need to fit the owner , @FullMotoJacket , I met your dog at spokes , Matt was my go to for skiis for years . Nice dog , the socialization and training showed . I could be dog less going forward , wife would struggle without a friend . I suspect another yellow lab is in my future .


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The three loves of my life , one costs me a fortune and is a little hard to reason with . The other two are a dog and a cat .
Gaby is a boxer / Carolina dingo cross , came from Georgia as a refugee the first time Trump was elected . Ralph the voodoo cat is twenty one pounds and most dogs are a bit scared of him.at one point we had two dogs, two cats and a huge acreage . Only get one dog and the huge acreage .


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Temperament is #1 on the decision list. Most dogs come with one and although people will argue theirs is the exception it usually isn't.

You can't determine temperament by saying it's a specific breed. German shepherds come in different sizes and moods. One can be full sized and have inbred aggression. It's good for a guard dog. Another shepherd the same size could be afraid of its own shadow.

Apparently a guy in Russia has bred friendly foxes by selecting friendly males and females and continuing the concept until they are pets. Dogs can be the same. (Puppy mills don't help.) Unfortunately the foxes still have odour issues, possibly others. I'm not a dog whisperer so there may be other factors.

Our daughter's 10-pound Morkie is IMO too people dependent and needs massive attention, great for someone with nothing to do. Puppy sitting a 10-pound princess creates negative efficiency around the house. She barks when she feels neglected.

A shock collar could stop the barking but that to me would be like smothering a crying baby. Address the problems not the symptoms.

I encountered IMO the perfect German shepherd in Ottawa when I was on a service call. Parked on the street, I was crouched behind my van going over tools when a young lady walked by with her shepherd on a leash. When the dog saw me it interpreted me as a lurking threat and let out a bark that echoed and it took a defensive stance.

There's a line between assertive and aggressive and the dog didn't cross it but it let everyone know that no BS was going to happen on its watch. The owner soothed things out and we all got a chuckle of the event.
 
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Things you can learn from a dog

Never pass up the opportunity for a joy ride

Allow the experience of fresh air in your face and wind in your face to be pure ecstasy

When loved ones come home, run to greet them

When in your best interest, practice obedience

Let others know when they've invaded your space

Take naps and stretch before rising

Run, romp and play daily

Eat with gusto and enthusiasm

Be loyal

Never pretend to be something you're not

If something you want lies buried, dig until you find it

When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by and nuzzle him or her gently

Thrive on attention and let people touch you

On hot days, drink lots of water and lay under a shady tree

When you're happy, dance around and wag your entire body

No matter how often you're scolded, don't buy into the guilt thing and pout... run right back and make friends

Delight in the joy of a simple walk
 
My last dog passed 5-6 years ago, and although I've really missed having a dog around, I found a dogs life is too short, and the end-of-life too painful, to want to go through it again.
I have a 6 year old daughter and a 10 year old son. My wife came to me a couple weeks ago and asked if we could get a dog. She said it would be good for the kids. I shot it down immediately. We don't have the money, we don't have the time, the yards not fenced, etc.. She said, "Okay, it was just a though. I just really miss Raven (our last dog)."
24 hours later, I couldn't get the idea out of my head. I decided it's time, so I went on a mission to find a smart, hypo-allergenic breed that wasn't from a top-dollar breeder.
I just picked up this girl on Saturday. Standard Poodle father, and Aussie Collie mother. Born July 25th, 2025. The wife and kids are very happy, and bonus, I now have much more time to myself since the dog gets all the attention.

My best advice to all existing and future dog owners (and parents of young children, too!), is to read Dog Training for Dummies. It is fantastic! My last two dogs, a Boxer and Boxer-Husky/Border Collie cross both passed the Good Neighbour certification without any obedience training of any kind. I trained them myself with what I learned from this book, with no prior experience. They were my first dogs and last dogs, till now.
 

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Beautiful dog @WestBrantKid we have very similar requirements…almost identical.

Can you provide additional info about where/how/how much that dog came to be your family dog?
It looks like they have one left!

This is who I got the pup from. Near Blyth, Ontario. It was a 2 hour drive for me.
What I like about this dog is that it's not a "breed" it's a mixed breed. By that I mean, no in-breeding to help establish a line. The father is a Standard Poodle, and the mother is an Aussie Collie. Mutts tend to be healthier dogs.
 
It looks like they have one left!

This is who I got the pup from. Near Blyth, Ontario. It was a 2 hour drive for me.
What I like about this dog is that it's not a "breed" it's a mixed breed. By that I mean, no in-breeding to help establish a line. The father is a Standard Poodle, and the mother is an Aussie Collie. Mutts tend to be healthier dogs.
Thanks I reached out. Wife's concern is it's too big...how big would you expect to this size to grow? I'm ok up to 30-40lbs but beyond that it may be too large for our house/family.

She's still concerned about size, but I'm ok with it.
 
We have had a Havenese for almost 9 years. 12 - 14 lbs. No issues what so ever. Hair cuts every 3 - 4 months. 1 or 2 walks per day, usually 20 - 30 minutes each. Non shedding.
 
Thanks I reached out. Wife's concern is it's too big...how big would you expect to this size to grow? I'm ok up to 30-40lbs but beyond that it may be too large for our house/family.

She's still concerned about size, but I'm ok with it.
When I ready that ad, it said "40-50 lbs".
I prefer a large dog, so I'm hoping for 50+ lbs. You are on the other side hoping for 40- lbs. lol
What is her concern, weigh, or height? Poodles are usually lean dogs under all that hair.
 
When I ready that ad, it said "40-50 lbs".
I prefer a large dog, so I'm hoping for 50+ lbs. You are on the other side hoping for 40- lbs. lol
What is her concern, weigh, or height? Poodles are usually lean dogs under all that hair.
Thanks! I missed that part in the ad.

Her concern is 'bigger dogs have higher requirements for walking (3x/day instead of 2), need more food ($), and require more frequent vet visits ($)'.
 
Your wife is wrong ( sorry ) big dogs are often less energy than small dogs , get a terrier and walk it fifteen kms a day , it’s not tired it’s building stamina . Vet visits have zero to do with dog size , they all need annual shots and if no issues , that’s that . Feeding a sixty pound verses twenty , half a cup more . None issue .


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Thanks! I missed that part in the ad.

Her concern is 'bigger dogs have higher requirements for walking (3x/day instead of 2), need more food ($), and require more frequent vet visits ($)'.
I agree with Cranky
Also, being a mutt, it's less prone to genetic issues. My Boxer lived 13 years, but the breed has an average lifespan of 8-10 years because of genetics. My mixed breed that came from my boxer's brother lived 15 years.
Look at Great Danes, they are one of the best breeds for apartment dogs, despite their many health issues and being one of the largest breeds, because they need such little exercise.
 
I agree with Cranky
Also, being a mutt, it's less prone to genetic issues. My Boxer lived 13 years, but the breed has an average lifespan of 8-10 years because of genetics. My mixed breed that came from my boxer's brother lived 15 years.
Look at Great Danes, they are one of the best breeds for apartment dogs, despite their many health issues and being one of the largest breeds, because they need such little exercise.
If that person responds I may just pull the trigger and ask for forgiveness later…
 
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Maybe I am biased but our Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier is awesome. Super calm and we didn't even know she could bark for the first few months of ownership.
You have seen her before and you are more than welcome to bring the kids over to check her out again.

I always said that I prefer BIG dogs but she is 35 lbs and she is perfect.
I find "small" dogs to be too yappy and annoying.

She hasn't ever hurt anyone or damaged anything in the house.

Only restriction, No chicken in her diet.

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