Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.2%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 28.9%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 58 50.9%
  • Total voters
    114
nobbie48 said:
Pretty much, unless you have a backhoe and bush lot.

Safe rooms are a great idea. Make your family paranoid while tying up a half a million in unusable real estate.

What would an adult Kevin McAllister do?
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Safe room in walk-in closets use very little additional space. How you feel about the heavy doors is subjective.

Very few houses have a good setup to get the entire family into a safe room(s) after an incursion.
 
nobbie48 said:
Pretty much, unless you have a backhoe and bush lot.

Safe rooms are a great idea. Make your family paranoid while tying up a half a million in unusable real estate.

What would an adult Kevin McAllister do?
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A couple of large mastiffs are a pretty good deterrent.
Pricey and time consuming for proper stewardship but you get plenty back in return.
 
GreyGhost said:
Safe room in walk-in closets use very little additional space. How you feel about the heavy doors is subjective.

Very few houses have a good setup to get the entire family into a safe room(s) after an incursion.
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A few years back, pre Trump, I led some US rednecks from Niagara to Trenton because they had trouble understanding our maps. One rider in particular was wetting his pants about riding through cities. (They couldn't carry). That guy figured we could go north to Barrie and head east from there, on Goldwings.

I hope I never become that paranoid.

In some little towns people don't lock their doors, leave keys in vehicles. I'm more cautious.

A friend used to leave his cottage unlocked with a notepad on the table. If you dropped in while they were away you left a note, "Thanks for the beer". Now the place is full security, alarms and cameras.

How safe does a safe room have to be if they're out to get you? Common wall construction barely slows down a bullet.

With a typical city lot, a property line breech might give you three seconds warning before someone's at your door. Three seconds later the typical door is kicked in.

To work, safe room drills are needed and you have to live edgy. Unfortunately life is heading that way.
 
nobbie48 said:
A few years back, pre Trump, I led some US rednecks from Niagara to Trenton because they had trouble understanding our maps. One rider in particular was wetting his pants about riding through cities. (They couldn't carry). That guy figured we could go north to Barrie and head east from there, on Goldwings.

I hope I never become that paranoid.

In some little towns people don't lock their doors, leave keys in vehicles. I'm more cautious.

A friend used to leave his cottage unlocked with a notepad on the table. If you dropped in while they were away you left a note, "Thanks for the beer". Now the place is full security, alarms and cameras.

How safe does a safe room have to be if they're out to get you? Common wall construction barely slows down a bullet.

With a typical city lot, a property line breech might give you three seconds warning before someone's at your door. Three seconds later the typical door is kicked in.

To work, safe room drills are needed and you have to live edgy. Unfortunately life is heading that way.
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A previous member here had his house robbed, while he was at work, by some 20 year old with a backpack. Middle of the day. He just walked up to the front door, kicked it in, went through the house for a few minutes, then went out the back sliding door. Cops said he hit several houses the same way, that same day. Low effort, low return, but thousands in damage to every place he hit.
 
Gaoler said:
Now that's what I call crime fightin'...
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It is though. Hidden plates defeat alpr which identifies many crimes. Window tint is a problem for an officer on a traffic stop who can't see what they are walking up to. It also helps insulate people from consequences as the drivers can't be seen by witnesses/cameras. By themselves, tint and plates aren't a big deal but they are often used by people committing far worse crimes.
 
Excessive tint also hides things like phone use when driving, drinking while driving, etc. It also impedes the driver's ability to see OUT of the side windows at night.

I have no problem with it being enforced. Take some cops off of endless speed traps and enforce some other moving violations. For a better win, fine and you need to prove it is fixed before automagic plate renewal...

I always figured really dark tint was for ugly people to hide or if your car is a POS and you want to hide your embarrassment.... and of course the other stuff mentioned here and above.
 
GreyGhost said:
It is though. Hidden plates defeat alpr which identifies many crimes. Window tint is a problem for an officer on a traffic stop who can't see what they are walking up to. It also helps insulate people from consequences as the drivers can't be seen by witnesses/cameras. By themselves, tint and plates aren't a big deal but they are often used by people committing far worse crimes.
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Its a make work project with a hint of a fishing trip thrown in. In court they will call it a Pretextural Stop as their probable cause for the stop.
 
Dirty Frank said:
Have you ever driven anything with tint on a dark rainy night?
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My last car was tinted (not dark, maybe 30% VLT). I rolled down the windows when backing up at night as visibility through the tint and off the mirrors was questionable. Windshield was untinted. You don't see many tinted windshields in Ontario.
 
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