I am betting 90 is the best case probably 30 in the winter.
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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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there are pretty cost effective third party Leaf battery upgrades.
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How much is insurance, parking, financing etc? If the fixed costs are too high and the mileage driven too low an EV doesn't offset ICE fuel ups.
I could be tempted by an EV as a second vehicle but if it had a sub 100 km range it wouldn't get used enough to justify the thousands per year in fixed costs.
A shopper could plot a route to get all the goodies and find a store is out of stock, adding kms to the map.
Being retired we make things work with one vehicle figuring the couple of thousands in savings will pay for cabs and public transit. A light electric car (Glorified golf cart) would physically work but at $10K and with the structural integrity of a tin can, not worth it.
I'd take that leaf over an LSV anyday. About 10K cheaper, similar operating cost, not subject to political whims (LSV program could be cancelled), and safer if you get in a wreck. Really, there are no upsides to the LSV program as they have structured it. That is why the uptake is incredibly close to zero.
LSVs appeal to the illiterate. Approved in Ontario but they don't read "Must also be approved by municipalities." I've seen a couple in Mississauga where they are not approved.
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I can't be arsed to insert multi-quotes so I'll just give some suggestions FWIW.
For battery and EV repairs look at a channel called Out Of Spec Renew on YouTube. He just did a big battery swap on a Lightning and it only took him 3 hours. He's also done Leafs and Teslas etc.
2nd gen Leaf is a nice vehicle, I considered a used one a while back. Really good support group online and reliablity has been decent. I also think Mach-E is an excellent choice as a used vehicle. Ford did a great job with it.
DCFC is a doddle now, first couple of road trips were a bit anxious but the higher up on the (admittedly steep) learning curve you get the easier it becomes. It's second nature now to just do a quick overview of a long trip on Plugshare and ABRP to verify, then off you go. I try to plan eating and washroom breaks with charging stops so it cuts down on the time required but if your vehicle is 800 volt architecture (KIA, Hyundai, Porsche etc.) there's less time difference between a gas stop than say 360 volt (Mach-E) or unfortunately for me, 288 volt Ultium.
There are companies that offer carbon-credit rebates for home charging. Grizzl-e, Swtch and Pionelectric are a few. I'm signed up with Pion. I get 10 cents a kW returned to me every MW and I only try to charge using my overnight rate at 3.8 cents. You have to pay for the WiFi 9.6 kW charger ($330) and have a 50 amp Nema 14-50 circuit available as well.
House power consumption for charging has increased by about 40% for the winter. Even with heat pumps EV's still use more power to heat the battery and cabin during this time. In the summer the Prologue will average 4.8 Km/kW commuting to work and when it was -15C a couple of days ago I was down to 2.4 km/kW. The missus's Niro is a bit better than that. Shorter trips are brutal, but ICE also has that issue. But, at 3.8 cents a kW I can live with it.
For battery and EV repairs look at a channel called Out Of Spec Renew on YouTube. He just did a big battery swap on a Lightning and it only took him 3 hours. He's also done Leafs and Teslas etc.
2nd gen Leaf is a nice vehicle, I considered a used one a while back. Really good support group online and reliablity has been decent. I also think Mach-E is an excellent choice as a used vehicle. Ford did a great job with it.
DCFC is a doddle now, first couple of road trips were a bit anxious but the higher up on the (admittedly steep) learning curve you get the easier it becomes. It's second nature now to just do a quick overview of a long trip on Plugshare and ABRP to verify, then off you go. I try to plan eating and washroom breaks with charging stops so it cuts down on the time required but if your vehicle is 800 volt architecture (KIA, Hyundai, Porsche etc.) there's less time difference between a gas stop than say 360 volt (Mach-E) or unfortunately for me, 288 volt Ultium.
There are companies that offer carbon-credit rebates for home charging. Grizzl-e, Swtch and Pionelectric are a few. I'm signed up with Pion. I get 10 cents a kW returned to me every MW and I only try to charge using my overnight rate at 3.8 cents. You have to pay for the WiFi 9.6 kW charger ($330) and have a 50 amp Nema 14-50 circuit available as well.
House power consumption for charging has increased by about 40% for the winter. Even with heat pumps EV's still use more power to heat the battery and cabin during this time. In the summer the Prologue will average 4.8 Km/kW commuting to work and when it was -15C a couple of days ago I was down to 2.4 km/kW. The missus's Niro is a bit better than that. Shorter trips are brutal, but ICE also has that issue. But, at 3.8 cents a kW I can live with it.
While driving. I only need 5 minutes to warm my cabin, so I can't comment on the garage cooling effects but my semi-educated guess is that it would be negligible unless you plan on leaving it on for a significant amount of time. The vehicle management system will determine where to pull heat from, which could be a combination of battery coolant or atmosphere, depending on the circumstances.
I'll get better economy if the vehicle is plugged in before my commute. The BMS will keep the battery at 7C unless ambient is higher, so I have some thermal energy to draw from. If I'm cold-soaked by staying unplugged overnight and the battery is colder than that, then the coolant heater will come on to supplement at the cost of reduced range. Just my observations so YMMV.
I'll get better economy if the vehicle is plugged in before my commute. The BMS will keep the battery at 7C unless ambient is higher, so I have some thermal energy to draw from. If I'm cold-soaked by staying unplugged overnight and the battery is colder than that, then the coolant heater will come on to supplement at the cost of reduced range. Just my observations so YMMV.
Wall charger usually.
Relax
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Thanks, that's dirt cheap if it runs, and I only have a 24 km round trip commute now, 2 days per week. Just not loving the look of it.
I can let the cat out othe bag now. I was looking at a 2014 Tesla Model S with unknown mileage because the battery was drained and the seller didn't know how to open the doors. Apparently bought that way, so the previous seller was equally dumb. Advertised for $8,000, but then price kept dropping over the past week $7500, $6500, $6000. I was trying to get a ScanMyTelsa cable so I could go see it, but it sold today for $5000 sight unseen. Seller just wanted it gone. If I could have gotten a cable sooner, I would have gone over, opened the doors and scanned it to see if the drive battery was OK. Even if it only had 100 kms range I would have bought it and planned for a battery swap down the road.
Volt would use the car battery and wall current I believe to preheat the car while plugged in. It would dip down from 100% and would recharge within a few min as it didn’t take a lot of juice.
It’s is dirt cheap but I did the math and some research on some forums….that car would barely get me to work in the cold (52km) and wouldn’t charge back fast enough on L1 to actually get me home.
My Prologue will pull 10kW to energize the heat pump and coolant heater if it's really cold out. (3+7) So unless the wall charger can deliver that, it's using the battery. Niro iirc just has a 6kW coolant heater so it's not as demanding but gets worse cold temp range, especially since the missus cranks the heat inside to freakin' 26.
Well this seems bad and short lived...
Priller
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I work in an office that's at least half originally from China, and the excitement for these cars is palpable. They're all looking at lists and wondering which brands and models will become available. As a corollary, they are firmly of the belief that Chinese EV's are now vastly superior to anything available locally, with better design, better tech, better batteries, and better value. Assuming similar excitement across the Chinese-Canadian community throughout the country, I suspect BYD or similar could set up a dealership each in Vancouver and Toronto and sell their whole 49,000 allotment in about a day...
It'll be interesting to see which brands and models get brought in. Polestar (Geely) was selling their Chinese EV here before the 100% tariffs got implemented, but were so successful at branding themselves as vaguely European that most people seem to assume they're Volvos, and they had to pivot to selling Sweden-made models because of the tariffs. Tesla was also selling Chinese-made models here, but I can't imagine that would soak up the volume considering the events of the past two years.
It'll be interesting to see which brands and models get brought in. Polestar (Geely) was selling their Chinese EV here before the 100% tariffs got implemented, but were so successful at branding themselves as vaguely European that most people seem to assume they're Volvos, and they had to pivot to selling Sweden-made models because of the tariffs. Tesla was also selling Chinese-made models here, but I can't imagine that would soak up the volume considering the events of the past two years.
I was in Montreal in December and had a taxi take me to the airport that was a BYD. It was roomy but, everything about it screamed early 2000s Hyundai plastics and Casio instruments. Not sure how long they would hold up. 
Granted it was being used as a taxi and would get a lot of kilometres.
It’s kinda like a temu version of an EV. It is sized and drives as it should. Questionable quality for certain.
Granted it was being used as a taxi and would get a lot of kilometres.
It’s kinda like a temu version of an EV. It is sized and drives as it should. Questionable quality for certain.
Dirty Frank
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Best intro ever.
