What a waste of engineering effort.
Let the EV be an EV and make it a better one. That noisemaker isn't going to win over anyone who wasn't going to buy one anyhow.
Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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What a waste of engineering effort.
Let the EV be an EV and make it a better one. That noisemaker isn't going to win over anyone who wasn't going to buy one anyhow.
Dirty Frank
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Sound directly correlated with the speed of the electric motor which starts at 0 rpm and linearly increases to max rpm at ~300 km/h is very boring. Floor it from 100-150 and the pitch increases by 16%. That doesn't move your soul.
Ferrari needs to learn from Hyundai. I didn't think that would ever come out of my mouth. While I have no issues owning an electric car, an Ioniq 5 N is one of the few that I actually desire to own. 650hp and it seems very engaging to drive. Sure, the flappy paddle gearbox is pretend and slower than just leaving it in drive but it's way more fun.
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What's a party without noise? While I'm not in favour of noise on the street, the rumble of big blocks at a race adds a gut stirring emotion to the event. Can that be unlearned?
Egad! The whir of the motor caused me to slosh my tea onto my crumpet.
Egad! The whir of the motor caused me to slosh my tea onto my crumpet.
KLR Junkie
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I think I'll file that one under "I'll believe it when I see it". A tiny Finnish motorcycle company has beaten every automotive company in the world to making a production ready EV with solid state batteries? Seems pretty questionable. 300km of range in just 10 minutes of charging and they also say that they've reduced the weight of their motor by 50% while maintaining the same output. This fairly reeks of kickstarter-style marketing. But yes, it would be a game changer if they can pull it off.
wonderings
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You are warned to keep your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road when you engage FSD. So you are being told when actually engaging that you can't just fall asleep. The car also won't let you take your eyes off the road, it will blink a bright blue colour, then beep and then dock you a point and pull over eventually. I have never gotten to the docket point part, but I do know Tesla has their own system where so many points and you can't use FSD for a certain period of time. Unless they do things different in California I think Tesla has done a great job of forcing you to be awake and alert when using FSD.California is giving Tesla 60 days to rename Autopilot or face a stop sale. That is good imo. Some of the comments are good. I suspect the commentors are right and Tesla will go with something like OttoPilot or Not Autopilot to piss in their cornflakes. There should be major consequences for flagrant false advertising that kills people.
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California is giving Tesla 60 days to rename Autopilot or stop selling it.www.facebook.com
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A better description of what's happening.
"A California judge has ruled that Tesla may be forced to rename its Autopilot system after determining that the feature does not actually drive vehicles autonomously. The decision gives Tesla 60 days to either prove that Autopilot delivers true self-driving capabilities or formally acknowledge it as an advanced driver-assistance system rather than autonomous technology. The ruling stems from a California DMV case accusing Tesla of misleading consumers through marketing language that implies hands-free, self-driving operation. If Tesla fails to comply, the state could impose penalties, including a potential 30-day suspension of vehicle sales in California. "
Don't know if you watched Marc Travels and his long run with the Verge but nothing they are doing requires innovative battery technology from them. They are piggy backing on the same battery claims for solid state that car companies are touting.
The bigger question is the bike design.
That they designed modular to allow for battery innovation in a big plus. The rear wheel tho ????
Do recall that Ozempic is from a "small Nordic nation" and nVidia used to be a tiny GPU card supplier.
The bigger question is the bike design.
That they designed modular to allow for battery innovation in a big plus. The rear wheel tho ????
Do recall that Ozempic is from a "small Nordic nation" and nVidia used to be a tiny GPU card supplier.
Too many questions.
I'd just like the solid state batteries to trickle down to an affordable EV maxi scoot or motorcycle with 250 km range.
1/2 hour charging a bonus but not critical.
It's getting there $4k and 63 km range....and available. Put in the sold state battery
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1/2 hour charging a bonus but not critical.
It's getting there $4k and 63 km range....and available. Put in the sold state battery
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VW made a 1L/100km car available for purchase more than a decade ago. It didn't trickle down at all.I'd just like the solid state batteries to trickle down to an affordable EV maxi scoot or motorcycle with 250 km range.
1/2 hour charging a bonus but not critical.
It's getting there $4k and 63 km range....and available. Put in the sold state battery
ZEEHO AE4 | Ace Scooters & MotorcyclesAce Scooters & Motorcycles
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The $4K, 63 km scooter may be a good platform for a solid state battery but if that pushed it to >$10K, 180km range, would you still be interested? SSB's look to be about triple the energy density and 3-5x the cost per kwh. I think SSB's are at least a decade from being a primary battery pack for a BEV. I think initial adoption may be things like hybrids where battery size can cause packaging issues and cost of battery makes up a small percentage of vehicle cost. The other early adopter path are price is no object vehicles like Suron's, EV trial bikes, etc where they are chasing performance first and the buyers are willing to pay a premium. Inclusion in those platforms helps drive up volume and drive down cost.
I finally got a ride in my first EV. Buddy has a lightning. In a perfect world, 500km range. More typically just over 400 km. If pulling a trailer, 200 km (ouch). He mostly likes it. Gas savings are roughly equal to truck payment (it replaced an ICE F150). He is hopeful that the new hybrid lightning is competent with a trailer.
More.
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Verge Fixed The Two Biggest Electric Motorcycle Problems At Once | Carscoops
Powered by a new Donut Lab solid-state battery, the Verge TS Pro offers up to 370 miles of range
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The math on that one is strange. 137 hp and 3.5 0-60. That is comparable times to 650R, 750F, etc with about 90hp (and pesky ICE and gears which slows things down a lot). I think they are greatly lying about hp or weight (or both). Apparently, the verge is about 50-100 lbs heavier than the ICE bikes that are similarly quick but that is nowhere near enough weight to account for the slower acceleration. 899 panigale is 137 hp and about 1 second faster to 60. That is a light year faster with the same hp (and relatively crap torque curve).More.
Verge Fixed The Two Biggest Electric Motorcycle Problems At Once | Carscoops
Powered by a new Donut Lab solid-state battery, the Verge TS Pro offers up to 370 miles of range
The press release seems promising. As with most press releases, the interesting part is where the rubber hits the road (or doesn't). Many of these EV companies seem to be focused on fleecing investors and the vaporware bikes are just the flavor of the day to accomplish that.
Only slightly related to electric cars as the demo platform happens to be electric. BYD demonstrated autonomous vehicle jumping to avoid road obstacles. Cool start to an idea. As with most computerized decisions, implementation is key. If it jumps in a corner or jumps at the wrong time, it could result in a crash the driver can't avoid. If many vehicles adopt jumping, cops will need to come up with an alternative to spike strips.
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A lot of EV math is monkey math. Yes the max range is 500 KM but to save your battery they don't recommend you use the top or bottom 20% so for longer battery life it's a 300 km battery, less in winter, worse still, towing.
One huge problem with the poor man's car is that few people want to drive a car that says, "This is all can afford because I'm a loser." The Tata Nano had that problem, selling about 10% of what they originally forecast over ten years.
I suspect that is computer limited.
The Verge is certainly not vapourware as Marc showed with his two month, 11k km ride around Europe.
If the solid state batteries offer comparable cost to the lithium with longer range and lighter weight then yeah I's still be interested.... that's part of the promise of solid state batteries.
If acceleration is computer limited, the specs they released are shady at best. That would be like ford selling an ICE truck with "1000 hp" as you could theoretically get there but can't.
It may still be vapourware. Existence of a bike is one step. Offering it for sale at the price they said is an entirely different step. Most EV's seem to have MSRP in the ballpark of double the press release price. That cuts the pool of buyers by 90% or more.
While SSB's may get there, I will be shocked if it's in your driving/riding lifetime.
