Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

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SunnY S said:
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Ford F-150 Lightning EV Is Dead, Next Gen Will Have Gas Engine Backup

Ford has pulled the plug on its all-electric pickup truck and will replace it with an extended-range EV that takes gas.
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Let this be a lesson to the "all in" on EV car makers (Ford, GM et al) that dumped Billions for nothing

Honda and Toyota were right all along...... they still have relatively few EVs in their line up to this day, and Honda was shrewd enough to piggy back a GM design instead of rushing and designing an all EV platform pre-maturely.

Been saying it since 2017 back in post 2 of this thread. Hybrids are the way to go!

Just love it.
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This is so disappointing. I love the F150L and I would 100% buy one if it didn't cost an arm and a leg...but it does.

I'm hoping that Ford still pushes forward with their small EV that they keep discussing, but I'm not hopefully it'll be anywhere near the 30-40k they claim. More likely 60-70k.

What's this going to do with the used market for the F150L? Will it tank because it's over...or will it crank prices because now it's a 'rare' truck?
 
Dirty Frank said:
Going by the example of other orphaned E rides it will crater in value.
There will be YT clips of Ford sold it for 75k and i just bought one for 6k....
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I dont know about that. Most of the catered erides are from companies that collapsed. A vehicle that requires a connection to the motheship to work and the mothership no longer exists is almost worthless. I expect Ford will continue to support the lightning for quite a while.
 
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Dirty Frank said:
Going by the example of other orphaned E rides it will crater in value.
There will be YT clips of Ford sold it for 75k and i just bought one for 6k....
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If the price is right...it would make a fantastic replacement for the Maverick.

More space, less fuel...win win!

And as @GreyGhost mentioned...not like Ford can just stop supporting it. They need to continue support for many years.
 
mimico_polak said:
This is so disappointing. I love the F150L and I would 100% buy one if it didn't cost an arm and a leg...but it does.

I'm hoping that Ford still pushes forward with their small EV that they keep discussing, but I'm not hopefully it'll be anywhere near the 30-40k they claim. More likely 60-70k.

What's this going to do with the used market for the F150L? Will it tank because it's over...or will it crank prices because now it's a 'rare' truck?
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The lightning had such crap range no wonder they killed it

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mimico_polak said:
This is so disappointing. I love the F150L and I would 100% buy one if it didn't cost an arm and a leg...but it does.

I'm hoping that Ford still pushes forward with their small EV that they keep discussing, but I'm not hopefully it'll be anywhere near the 30-40k they claim. More likely 60-70k.

What's this going to do with the used market for the F150L? Will it tank because it's over...or will it crank prices because now it's a 'rare' truck?
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Generally speaking, it used to be that if a vehicle was't popular when it was new it wasn't popular when it got old.
 
The hemmoraging had to stop....

think where they would be today if they stuck with a hybrid strategy all along.



Ford Motor Company is pulling back on its aggressive push into fully electric vehicles after reporting a projected $19.5 billion loss tied to its EV strategy. The automaker announced it will pivot away from prioritizing all-electric models and instead place a stronger emphasis on hybrid vehicles, signaling a major shift in its long-term electrification plans.

The move comes as Ford struggles to compete with EV market leader Tesla while facing high production costs, pricing pressure, and slower-than-expected consumer adoption. As part of the transition, Ford will end production of the all-electric F-150 Lightning and restructure its EV operations over the next several years.

Company leadership says hybrids offer a more practical bridge for consumers, combining fuel efficiency with lower costs and fewer infrastructure challenges. The $19.5B write-down will be spread over the next three years, with the bulk expected in late 2025.

Ford’s pivot reflects a broader industry recalibration, as legacy automakers reassess the pace and profitability of the EV race and move toward strategies better aligned with current market demand.
 
SunnY S said:
The hemmoraging had to stop....

think where they would be today if they stuck with a hybrid strategy all along.



Ford Motor Company is pulling back on its aggressive push into fully electric vehicles after reporting a projected $19.5 billion loss tied to its EV strategy. The automaker announced it will pivot away from prioritizing all-electric models and instead place a stronger emphasis on hybrid vehicles, signaling a major shift in its long-term electrification plans.

The move comes as Ford struggles to compete with EV market leader Tesla while facing high production costs, pricing pressure, and slower-than-expected consumer adoption. As part of the transition, Ford will end production of the all-electric F-150 Lightning and restructure its EV operations over the next several years.

Company leadership says hybrids offer a more practical bridge for consumers, combining fuel efficiency with lower costs and fewer infrastructure challenges. The $19.5B write-down will be spread over the next three years, with the bulk expected in late 2025.

Ford’s pivot reflects a broader industry recalibration, as legacy automakers reassess the pace and profitability of the EV race and move toward strategies better aligned with current market demand.
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Maybe if they didn’t load it up to be priced at 80-120k it would have sold better?

I don’t understand how manufacturers felt the good times will go forever.

People are losing jobs, running low on savings and food yet prices of vehicles continue to go up.

We’re at 96 month financing! What’s next???

The average finance payment is getting close to $1,000/month….that’s not sustainable for the masses.
 
mimico_polak said:
How bad was it? I've seen it 500-700kms...even if it's 400kms in the ice cold winter it would work for me.
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I think the 131 kWh extended range was rated at 515 kms. Cold weather, I’m not sure.

But, at the right price, I’d consider one myself. I’m just looking into adding the 240 charger in the garage for charging etc.


95% of my charging with the PHEV has been fine over night with 120 circuit but, there has been some day trips when I return and wouldn’t mind topping up and heading out again later in the evening.

Once I’m upgraded to faster charging. Even if it’s a 40A dedicated circuit, I might move ahead with adding a full EV to the household.

The only draw back of the PHEV of the Ford Escape is the petro fuel tank is only 42 litres from the regular hybrid 54 litres.


I’m still doing a lot of highway travelling and once the battery is depleted, the range on petro is about the same as most vehicles like our Subie or Kia.
 
mimico_polak said:
Maybe if they didn’t load it up to be priced at 80-120k it would have sold better?

I don’t understand how manufacturers felt the good times will go forever.

People are losing jobs, running low on savings and food yet prices of vehicles continue to go up.

We’re at 96 month financing! What’s next???

The average finance payment is getting close to $1,000/month….that’s not sustainable for the masses.
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Wait a few more years and used F150L`s should be reasonably cheap. You will have to cough up 36 G`s, USD, for a extended range battery if the stocker is toast, and another 700 U.S. bucks to install. It was mentioned that a new gas F150 engine was just over 13 Grand U.S. to swap out. So says a Lightning owners forum. I also recall hearing an owner saying his range dropped 30 to 40 percent on a winter trip, Toronto to Montreal. Not ready for primetime?
 
Glenn/RZ500 said:
Wait a few more years and used F150L`s should be reasonably cheap. You will have to cough up 36 G`s, USD, for a extended range battery if the stocker is toast, and another 700 U.S. bucks to install. It was mentioned that a new gas F150 engine was just over 13 Grand U.S. to swap out. So says a Lightning owners forum. I also recall hearing an owner saying his range dropped 30 to 40 percent on a winter trip, Toronto to Montreal. Not ready for primetime?
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The battery should be good for a million or more k not really a concern. A gas truck will have had 3 engines and at least 4 transmissions in that time if someone decided to run it that long. I would bet an engine and tranny is over 20g.

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Glenn/RZ500 said:
Wait a few more years and used F150L`s should be reasonably cheap. You will have to cough up 36 G`s, USD, for a extended range battery if the stocker is toast, and another 700 U.S. bucks to install. It was mentioned that a new gas F150 engine was just over 13 Grand U.S. to swap out. So says a Lightning owners forum. I also recall hearing an owner saying his range dropped 30 to 40 percent on a winter trip, Toronto to Montreal. Not ready for primetime?
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How many people are driving toronto to Montreal? Pick the right tool for the job. 99% of trucks are personal use vehicles being driven around town. The 1% that are regularly towing or driving many hundreds of km every day will always be better served by ICE. For the occasional road trip, a hit or two on a fast charger isn't a huge imposition. The few minutes lost on the trip is more than offset by the hours saved not pumping gas every week.
 
Glenn/RZ500 said:
Wait a few more years and used F150L`s should be reasonably cheap. You will have to cough up 36 G`s, USD, for a extended range battery if the stocker is toast, and another 700 U.S. bucks to install. It was mentioned that a new gas F150 engine was just over 13 Grand U.S. to swap out. So says a Lightning owners forum. I also recall hearing an owner saying his range dropped 30 to 40 percent on a winter trip, Toronto to Montreal. Not ready for primetime?
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I don't think I'd use the Toronto - Montreal trip as a benchmark for any car...ICE or EV.

I fully understand what getting an EV would be like, and unfortunately many do not. They think they can drive it the same way as an ICE car and then get frustrated when it doesn't and they're not ready for it.

For me...my requirement hasn't changed. 300-350kms in the cold (-10 to -20C) and it meets the requirement.

For now the Maverick serves me well, and trading it in now would negate any 'savings' from going full EV at this point in time.
 
mimico_polak said:
I don't think I'd use the Toronto - Montreal trip as a benchmark for any car...ICE or EV.

I fully understand what getting an EV would be like, and unfortunately many do not. They think they can drive it the same way as an ICE car and then get frustrated when it doesn't and they're not ready for it.

For me...my requirement hasn't changed. 300-350kms in the cold (-10 to -20C) and it meets the requirement.

For now the Maverick serves me well, and trading it in now would negate any 'savings' from going full EV at this point in time.
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As GG points out, a TO to MTL run would need a midway hot charge while you grab a coffee and change your diaper. Not a big deal but around the city the driver has to understand the battery is like a credit card with a very low limit. Sixty percent of card holders don't pay them off at the end of the month.

Away from home charging can be like getting a payday loan at $0.65 a Kw hour.

There are several festering issues.

1) Capital cost justification. The premium price doesn't work for me.

2) Battery anxiety / fire seems to be ebbing and would ebb faster if there were independent shops servicing the cars and batteries. The manufacturers have a dilemma. Sharing the market helps the market but hurts their monopoly.

3) When the manufacturers start bailing out the market collapses. The stigma will last for a long time, well after the cause of the stink has been resolved.

There are to many promise breaker CEOs and politicians in charge of the unicorn transporters.
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