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Around our area , I’ve started taking note while I walk the dog . Superboxes are in pathway shortcuts between streets , on corners by Parkeets, on side lots away from front entrances . They seem thoughtfully placed .
My mom who does not use a computer or do online banking is a bit perturbed by every strike . She drives to the bank to make a credit card payment , she’s ninety one . She will switch to a debit card but gets pissy since she’s not getting the thirty days to pay and collecting cash back points . Because at ninety one , all those travel points and cash back is a big deal…..


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What does it cost to put in the boxes?

They seem to come in 16 pack modules with a few modules per station. I can't see the government doing anything for less than $2000 a box, $32,000 per module. Actually, that would be cheap and if the box is on road allowance does the homeowner get any compensation?

If a person wants door service, all they would have to do is request the senders to use registered mail. Of course, someone would have to be home to sign for the envelope. Registered mail is $13.15 plus tax.
 
Registered mail is still way underpriced , and not very secure either . But it would end up at your door .
Let’s be honest here , everyone wants everything to stay like it’s been . But it’s not sustainable, we have proven that . Municipalities with hundreds of summer students watering and tending flowerbeds , it’s ok they get an Ontario Summer jobs grant , the province pays them. Yeah , with my money . The empire building has to have a ceiling, ,


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Around our area , I’ve started taking note while I walk the dog . Superboxes are in pathway shortcuts between streets , on corners by Parkeets, on side lots away from front entrances . They seem thoughtfully placed .
My mom who does not use a computer or do online banking is a bit perturbed by every strike . She drives to the bank to make a credit card payment , she’s ninety one . She will switch to a debit card but gets pissy since she’s not getting the thirty days to pay and collecting cash back points . Because at ninety one , all those travel points and cash back is a big deal…..


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Do we have the same mother?

Bro.
 
Registered mail is still way underpriced , and not very secure either . But it would end up at your door .
Registered mail will not necessarily end up at your door. All the carrier has to do is say they tried to deliver and no one was there to sign. It will eventually end up at a Post Office, or in our case a depot located in a Shoppers Drug store, and now you need to go there to pick it up, rather than just going to the nearby super-box.
 
I finally put a label in my box "no flyers please"

I did this years ago and it is probably 98% effective. We get flyers in our community mail box once every 2 - 3 months.

I figure the postie guy/gal is standing there and sorting flyers into individual boxes. It's less work to skip a box so there's the motivation to comply with my request.

CP needs to implement community mailboxes across the country. The plan to reduce air transport of some mail and to lengthen delivery times to save $20M is flawed. This is chickenfeed in the broader context and these savings should be found elsewhere. Don't enable degraded service to complicate the dialog. Keep service standards the same or improve them.

As part of the restructuring CP needs to review rates and increase them as required to eliminate the annual deficit. IMO, it is not realistic to have a uniform rate for all letter mail. It costs me a buck to mail a letter from Mississauga to Peterborough, but is still a buck when I mail a letter to Vancouver or Charlottetown. Makes no sense to me. What private sector courier does not structure its rates to factor in distance. If CP insists on "one rate" then increase letter mail cost across the board to pay for this. Mail rates would go from $1 to $1.25 - $1.35 for a standard up to 30gr letter to pay for this. Not a big deal IMO.

Parcel rates already reflect distance in fare calculation, no one questions this.
 
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I did this years ago and it is probably 98% effective. We get flyers in our community mail box once every 2 - 3 months.

I figure the postie guy/gal is standing there and sorting flyers into individual boxes. It's less work to skip a box so there's the motivation to comply with my request.

CP needs to implement community mailboxes across the country. The plan to reduce air transport of some mail and to lengthen delivery times to save $20M is flawed. This is chickenfeed in the broader context and these savings should be found elsewhere. Don't enable degraded service to complicate the dialog. Keep service standards the same or improve them.

As part of the restructuring CP needs to review rates and increase them as required to eliminate the annual deficit. IMO, it is not realistic to have a uniform rate for all letter mail. It costs me a buck to mail a letter from Mississauga to Peterborough, but is still a buck when I mail a letter to Vancouver or Charlottetown. Makes no sense to me. What private sector courier does not structure its rates to factor in distance. If CP insists on "one rate" then increase letter mail cost across the board to pay for this. Mail rates would go from $1 to $1.25 - $1.35 for a standard up to 30gr letter to pay for this. Not a big deal IMO.

Parcel rates already reflect distance in fare calculation, no one questions this.
I don't know CP cost stats so I just picked out a number.

If the loading and unloading costs represented 90% of the cost, the administration of the costs of travel might exceed any price adjustments.

It's the super-size me equivalent. The service cost is the same for medium or large drinks or fries but the product cost difference is minimal.

Is there a future in letter mail anyway? It's nice to get a handwritten letter but cursive writing is getting obsolete.
 
There will alway in my opinion be a place for letter mail . Certain times documents and certificates just don’t come off the home printer with same effect . But I am a firm believer that things need to be priced to reflect actual cost .
I’m not sure why it’s only government controlled businesses that seem to think running deficits annually is sustainable. If I had three lean years in a row at my business restructuring wouldn’t be a conversation, it would be implemented.


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I did this years ago and it is probably 98% effective. We get flyers in our community mail box once every 2 - 3 months.

I figure the postie guy/gal is standing there and sorting flyers into individual boxes. It's less work to skip a box so there's the motivation to comply with my request.

CP needs to implement community mailboxes across the country. The plan to reduce air transport of some mail and to lengthen delivery times to save $20M is flawed. This is chickenfeed in the broader context and these savings should be found elsewhere. Don't enable degraded service to complicate the dialog. Keep service standards the same or improve them.

As part of the restructuring CP needs to review rates and increase them as required to eliminate the annual deficit. IMO, it is not realistic to have a uniform rate for all letter mail. It costs me a buck to mail a letter from Mississauga to Peterborough, but is still a buck when I mail a letter to Vancouver or Charlottetown. Makes no sense to me. What private sector courier does not structure its rates to factor in distance. If CP insists on "one rate" then increase letter mail cost across the board to pay for this. Mail rates would go from $1 to $1.25 - $1.35 for a standard up to 30gr letter to pay for this. Not a big deal IMO.

Parcel rates already reflect distance in fare calculation, no one questions this.
Payroll costs are the main challenge for CPC. Their workforce is only 1/2 as productive as their competitors, and they do too many things that contractors should be doing. In many small centres, private local couriers carry parcels the ‘last mile’ for multiple courier companies. CPC keeps a redundant workforce for this.

Community mailboxes would eliminate a lot of the deficit alone. It takes about 18000 letter carriers to deliver to existing door to door addresses, since the majority of the unconverted addresses are old urban neighborhoods, they would only need approx 4000 carriers after converting.

As for managing other costs, closing post offices or converting them to franchised outlets would also be huge. Reorganizing route schemes to make a 8 hour day an 8 hour day would also help.

The bottom line is CPC has too many people for the volume they deliver. First they need to find delivery efficiencies, then they must rightsize the workforce.

I don’t see repricing as necessary. Price and volume have an elastic relationship, increases prices reduces volume and vice versa. Realistically they probably need to reduce prices as volume drop has been a major issue
 
I don’t see repricing as necessary. Price and volume have an elastic relationship, increases prices reduces volume and vice versa. Realistically they probably need to reduce prices as volume drop has been a major issue
Switching to a similar plan as long-distance phone calls used to be makes sense to me. Whether the base rate gets you 200 km (easy to calculate distance between postal codes) or within the province would be an interesting discussion. Being able to mail something to iqaluit for $1 is insane. I am thinking something like $5 for out of province letter mail (maybe $3 if you buy 50 long-distance stamps at a time). If I really care about the person, that's not a huge deal. If it's not worth $5 to send, we're probably all better off if it never gets sent.
 
Switching to a similar plan as long-distance phone calls used to be makes sense to me. Whether the base rate gets you 200 km (easy to calculate distance between postal codes) or within the province would be an interesting discussion. Being able to mail something to iqaluit for $1 is insane. I am thinking something like $5 for out of province letter mail (maybe $3 if you buy 50 long-distance stamps at a time). If I really care about the person, that's not a huge deal. If it's not worth $5 to send, we're probably all better off if it never gets sent.
You’ll never fly that by a socialist government in a million years.
 
Community mailboxes would eliminate a lot of the deficit alone. It takes about 18000 letter carriers to deliver to existing door to door addresses, since the majority of the unconverted addresses are old urban neighborhoods, they would only need approx 4000 carriers after converting.

Where would the remaining 14k people find work then?

Plus Carney now wants to attract the H-1B 'talent' and further saturate labour here in Canada 🤦‍♂️

Past 2 years have been brutal for young adults to find work / starter jobs.
 
Where would the remaining 14k people find work then?
That's an important question but by no stretch of the imagination one that matters more than cutting spending where it is literally just burning money with no benefit. Government needs to get out of the dumpster fire game and focus entirely on encouraging/supporting private sector growth and increasing gdp (actual production, not just churning tax dollars through pawns).
 
Where would the remaining 14k people find work then?

Plus Carney now wants to attract the H-1B 'talent' and further saturate labour here in Canada 🤦‍♂️

Past 2 years have been brutal for young adults to find work / starter jobs.
The remaining people should be doing the work.

The ones jettisoned from the CPC payroll would need to find work. I’m sure other carriers would absorb some of them, some retire, the rest do what other Canadians do when they lose employment- find another job based on experience and capability, or retrain to get marketable skills.

As for young workers finding jobs, that’s a growing challenge in Canada. Sadly a lot of that is self inflicted, following education paths that lead to no opportunity, or simply not accepting entry level work.

If you’re 20 in Ontario and want to make $100k to and have a retirement age if 50, take a 3 month course on drilling or rock truck driving then call any mine in Ontario.
 
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Registered mail will not necessarily end up at your door. All the carrier has to do is say they tried to deliver and no one was there to sign. It will eventually end up at a Post Office, or in our case a depot located in a Shoppers Drug store, and now you need to go there to pick it up, rather than just going to the nearby super-box.
That's exactly what happened to me. Our mail box is 2 houses away. I sat on my front porch and watched the mailman deliver to the boxes and drive away. Walked over to the box and there was a notice inside for me to drive 3 kms to pick up the mail I was not home to sign for.
 
That's exactly what happened to me. Our mail box is 2 houses away. I sat on my front porch and watched the mailman deliver to the boxes and drive away. Walked over to the box and there was a notice inside for me to drive 3 kms to pick up the mail I was not home to sign for.
This has been covered a few times in this thread already. Signature items and especially C.O.D. items get carded without an attempt all the time, mostly because the posties don't think anyone will be home to sign for it. It's a policy violation and should be reported to your local depot.
 
I had a “sign for” parcel shipped from Edmonton to me in Oakville . I was not home to sign , however the parcel was left on my front porch. A box that pretty much matched the size of an international skeet shotgun. Because in the box left sitting on the porch was indeed a fully operational shotgun . The shipper and I were a bit insensed. I’m not sure you can ship a firearm with Canada Post these days , because they don’t want responsibility.


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I had a “sign for” parcel shipped from Edmonton to me in Oakville . I was not home to sign , however the parcel was left on my front porch. A box that pretty much matched the size of an international skeet shotgun. Because in the box left sitting on the porch was indeed a fully operational shotgun . The shipper and I were a bit insensed. I’m not sure you can ship a firearm with Canada Post these days , because they don’t want responsibility.


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also a policy violation (assuming it was setup properly to flag for a signature in the system). i've seen posties who repeatedly sign off their own deliveries get the boot.

decades ago my dad bought one of the only legal ak47s and imported it to canada, a czech version i believe. UPS left it on our lawn when we were gone for the weekend, he was not pleased.
 
There will alway in my opinion be a place for letter mail . Certain times documents and certificates just don’t come off the home printer with same effect . But I am a firm believer that things need to be priced to reflect actual cost .
I’m not sure why it’s only government controlled businesses that seem to think running deficits annually is sustainable. If I had three increasingly lean years in a row at my business restructuring wouldn’t be a conversation, it would be implemented.


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