Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.5%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.5%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 56 50.0%
  • Total voters
    112
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nobbie48 said:
So how do we deal with the frequent fliers?

I'll throw in another assumption about you. I think you put a lot of work into achieving the other assumptions. You didn't get them free. Even if all your fees were paid you will have had to use your brain, so here's the predicament.

Some friends were taking care of their mid teen grandson (Call him Blip) to give him a break from his lazy POS father who blamed everything that was wrong with their family life on someone else. An opportune moment came along and I was able to ask him what he wanted and the reply was "A radio", basically a ghetto blaster, less than $100.

Trying to get some work ethics / careers into the conversation I mentioned that an electrician could make that in a morning. He snarled back "I don't want to be no electrician." If I had asked him if he wanted to be rich, I'm sure he'd say "Yeah" but couldn't define rich or have a plan to get there.

This happened twenty or thirty years ago and I've lost touch with the family but the last I heard Blip was nothing but trouble, quite possibly a frequent flier.

Theoretically, Blip could be put in prison for five years and spend the time becoming a tradesperson or other contributing member of society.

Personally, I think Blip's life was screwed by his father and is beyond hope. How do you get the Blips to start thinking rationally?

I also know a couple of people that served their time and are working their arses off rebuilding their lives.

How many freebies do the Blips get at the expense of the innocent?
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I've already outlined what I think we need to do, to deal with frequent fliers, repeatedly in several previous posts.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I'm thinking that evidence came up light and he was caught red-handed, likely on camera. They wouldn't want to test this law with anything less than a slam dunk.
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Given that there were multiple charges (theft over and theft under), I suspect more than once even. Start of investigation to charges took almost a year. Pretty embarrassing.
 
GreyGhost said:
Given that there were multiple charges (theft over and theft under), I suspect more than once even. Start of investigation to charges took almost a year. Pretty embarrassing.
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Hopefully they don't completely botch it like the Mahoney-Bruer trial.
 
No details about the allegations have been released. However, the same day as the investigation began, Sukhram was arrested by Peel police in Mississauga for allegedly driving impaired and in possession of illicit drugs. He was also charged with failing to stop after an accident and fleeing from a peace officer.
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I would be hesitant to credit a hit piece like that, without knowing the full history of criminal charges and releases in Canada. For example if the 2013 charges were his first and he was allowed pretrial release, because of that, then how is the Canadian justice system at fault? None of that information appears in this piece and when he was found, he was both charged locally and extradited.

EDIT - Based on this CBC story, from 2014, it sounds like they had trouble actually charging him until the 2013 arrest. As a result it would be difficult to detain him, prior to trial, under our system. Risk of flight would have been assessed. Even with his dual citizenship it seems that he didn't leave the country.

 
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GreyGhost said:
Given that there were multiple charges (theft over and theft under), I suspect more than once even. Start of investigation to charges took almost a year. Pretty embarrassing.
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"Sukhram has been with the force for 14 years and, as of last year, was assigned to the Drug Squad."

I have a friend that naively requested a transfer to the Gangs and Drug Squad (won't say which TPS Division) from street patrol for the bump in pay. It didn't take long until he was sat down and told what the MO of the squad was (one of the McCormick kids was in charge). You either get on board with the theft/graft/extortion (and the sworn secrecy) or you're the first through the door in EVERY raid. You may or may not get prompt backup once inside. He chose the transfer out option. Retired the day he hit 20 yrs. Hit the wayback and read what Agave use to write about the Gang and Drugs Squad Gang. He had a restaurant in the entertainment district and McCormick was a mob boss-esque protection racket thorn in his side.
 
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www.cp24.com

Border agency investigating dozens of cases of potential Iranian officials allowed into Canada

The Canada Border Services Agency confirms it is investigating how dozens of suspected Iranian officials have been allowed to enter Canada.
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No surprise here. When I returned to Pearson in March from Thailand I was shocked. After doing the automated passport machine where you make your duty claims and answer the questions, the line up to see the border guards was quite busy, looked like at least a 40 minute to 1 hour wait (which is fine, just like any other country I've been to and waited) Then all of a sudden one of the guards opened up one of the ropes and let myself and about 20- 30 others past, felt like a free for all, I just held up my paper printout and briskly walked right by. One guard stopped a lady in front of me and said "why are you here? tourist? Ok go ahead" Didn't even give the lady time to give him and answer. I walked right behind all of the border guards, held up my piece of paper one or two more times to other agents and was through to baggage claim.
Absolutely no way in **** this would happen in any other country.
 
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Brantford cop not guilty after slipping and falling through the passenger window of a car and his gun going off for some unknown reason resulting in the death of a thief.

So he's not a murderer just dangerous and incompetent as the only way that story is remotely true Is if his finger was on the trigger while he was moving.

www.brantfordexpositor.ca

Police officer not guilty of manslaughter in shooting of Brantford man

Chatham-Kent OPP Const. Sean O’Rourke has been found not guilty of manslaughter in the fatal shooting of a man on Highway 401 in July 2021.
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GreyGhost said:
Brantford cop not guilty after slipping and falling through the passenger window of a car and his gun going off for some unknown reason resulting in the death of a thief.

So he's not a murderer just dangerous and incompetent as the only way that story is remotely true Is if his finger was on the trigger while he was moving.

www.brantfordexpositor.ca

Police officer not guilty of manslaughter in shooting of Brantford man

Chatham-Kent OPP Const. Sean O’Rourke has been found not guilty of manslaughter in the fatal shooting of a man on Highway 401 in July 2021.
www.brantfordexpositor.ca www.brantfordexpositor.ca
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One of the hard parts about this is that you can’t try a dead man. So was he guilty of the gas theft?

Was there any evidence of the officer’s suspicions about other contraband?

As read, the officer’s statement is believable but I know little about OPP hand guns and their triggers.
 
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The officer previously testified his training and experience in locating contraband, such as illegal weapons and drugs, raised concerns this was more than a routine theft of gas, especially because it happened so early in the morning.

Why someone with illegal weapons and drug risk getting caught stealing $40 worth of gas at the pump?

I couldn't find anything in the story if any illegal weapons and drugs where found in deceased car. Probably nothing was found in the car?
 
nobbie48 said:
One of the hard parts about this is that you can’t try a dead man. So was he guilty of the gas theft?

Was there any evidence of the officer’s suspicions about other contraband?

As read, the officer’s statement is believable but I know little about OPP hand guns and their triggers.
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A glock doesn't fire unless you pull the trigger. Your finger is off the trigger until you are ready to fire. Odds are very high that cop tried to grab the keys and either panicked when the guy started to drive or got red mist and intentionally ended the thief. Bodycams for all cops can't come soon enough.
 
justride said:
Brantfordexpositor
The officer previously testified his training and experience in locating contraband, such as illegal weapons and drugs, raised concerns this was more than a routine theft of gas, especially because it happened so early in the morning.

Why someone with illegal weapons and drug risk getting caught stealing $40 worth of gas at the pump?

I couldn't find anything in the story if any illegal weapons and drugs where found in deceased car. Probably nothing was found in the car?
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A lot of criminals are caught because they are stupid, but I thought pay before pump was universal so how did it happen?

If there was contraband, I'm sure it would have been duly noted.

I'd be more comfortable if the deceased's criminal history was fully revealed along with the details of the robbery.

The police take a lot of abuse and IMO it's getting worse. Provoked people sometimes make bad choices.
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