Canada Post - Huge losses

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PrivatePilot said:
Enough employees voted to strike last October however to make it happen then, albeit the union is being a bit slimy now and using that same vote again this time to justify this one.

I think many are now regretting their October vote.
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Technically, the union may be correct. IIRC, government paused the strike/lockout but it wasn't technically ended. I agree though, running it past the members before they eat kraft dinner for a year seems reasonable. Maybe the union was worried they would lose the mandate and therefore become almost completely irrelevant.
 
raginduck said:
Would employees get in trouble from the union or CP for taking a temp job elsewhere during a strike?
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I honestly don't know. From what I understand there is a mandatory 72 hours of strike duty before they don't have to show up again. Don't quote me, just a loose understanding.
 
"We can confirm that a 72-hour strike notice has been issued. This step was taken in part to respond to the employer's recent indication that it may unilaterally change working conditions and suspend employee benefits.

This step was also taken to facilitate the continuation of our right to strike that was put on pause by the CIRB in December 2024. There is still time to return to the bargaining table. We remain committed to negotiating collective agreements and urge the employer to do the same.

Our goal continues to be negotiated collective agreements that support the well-being of workers, the communities we serve, and the sustainability of the public post."

Urban and RSMC Negotiations 2023-2024

www.cupw.ca www.cupw.ca
 
JZ67 said:
I haven't read much of this thread but can add as the spouse of a letter carrier, the carriers do not want to strike. They NEED to work.

So many are still reeling from the last strike and dealing with mounting debt. They don't know how they are going to take care of their families and the single parents are especially worried. Their own 'forums' are filling with words of desperation.

Don't blame the carriers, they don't want this. Not even a little.
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I very rarely blame employees. The union itself is the leech that kills its host. They want to maximize union revenue. If the host dies, so be it, they try to infiltrate another business. Employees take a beating, company takes a beating. Union normally survives by branching out.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Enough employees voted to strike last October however to make it happen then, albeit the union is being a bit slimy now and using that same vote again this time to justify this one.

I think many are now regretting their October vote.
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They lost their job protection, that's why they voted to strike.
 
JZ67 said:
Purolator is owned by Canada Post. If revenue is going to migrate to another CP company, at least in part, CP has less motivation to negotiate. Not saying it's right or wrong, just is what it is.
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Iirc, Purolator was impacted negatively last time. I don't remember if it was cupw, a sympathy action or just falling on their face. FedEx and ups drivers will make bank.
 
timtune said:
I'm hearing chatter about once a week delivery to superboxes. About time.
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It's such a cluster ****. CP would like daily deliveries including weekends to move into the parcel space they are missing and also want weekly deliveries of the mail but revenue is made on ad mail AND parcels.

I don't have an easy button but sounds like they need to find their business model and execute a plan.
 
JZ67 said:
It's such a cluster ****. CP would like daily deliveries including weekends to move into the parcel space they are missing and also want weekly deliveries of the mail but revenue is made on ad mail AND parcels.

I don't have an easy button but sounds like they need to find their business model and execute a plan.
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And most of those decisions should be made prior to cupw negotiations. It sounds like management is continuing to sit on their hands and hope for more government "loans".
 
crankcall said:
I’m not sure my superbox would hold a weeks mail , twice a week it’s jammed to the brim
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Based on what I see the mail guy putting in the box you're probably the exception vs. the rule.

Once when we were away almost 2 weeks my mailbox was full and the mail guy used one to the small parcel boxes for the overflow.

We're stuck in mail service from the 80's. We could take an iterative approach and change weekday community mailbox service from 5 day/w to twice a week. Assess this for 6 - 12 months, see how it works. I'm reasonably confident this would work for 95++ of residential customers.
 
raginduck said:
The strike will push volumes onto the other carriers.. they'll be looking for help.
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Judging what happened last time they will just move it over to purolator for packages at least. Lettermail will go all digital or push people to sign up for it. Except gov stuff. Queue the outcry of people expecting passports in the mail. Dunno if they can be sent like a package. No wonder Amazon keeps building more depots, with a working relationship like this it's not good for business.
 
GreyGhost said:
Maybe the union was worried they would lose the mandate
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I'm 100% sure this was why they didn't even run it past the membership this time. The workers see the writing on the wall that the union is putting a blind eye to.

GreyGhost said:
The union itself is the leech that kills its host
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Not all unions are like this. See my earlier comments. Even the CAW/Unifor offered concessions to GM (of all places) in the past to maintain and regain production. Not every union is blind and greedy.

sburns said:
Queue the outcry of people expecting passports in the mail
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I understand the whole "Canadian passports must travel by Canada Post only" thing, but it's time they damn well pivot when it becomes necessary vs leaving people out in the cold, ruining vacations or travel plans.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Enough employees voted to strike last October however to make it happen then, albeit the union is being a bit slimy now and using that same vote again this time to justify this one.

I think many are now regretting their October vote.
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Technically, it's the same strike. We were forced back to work with the gov't mandate ending on the 22nd.

As for being slimy, CP has walked away from the table 3x. Leaving CUPW sitting there for hours on end wondering if CP was coming back. They didn't.

CP has also broken the CBA (was reinstated by the back to work mandate until the 22nd) by rerouting parcels to Purolator - they have been delivering passports etc etc. Over 1100 parcels in my small city in the last 2 days.

CUPW actually gave in to several of their demands with their last proposal, but CP walked away, as noted earlier because they didn't get everything they wanted. They also revoked all of their previous concessions and went back to their first global offer that was offered before the strike.

Now, let's talk weekend parcel delivery. All for it. Go ahead. Use casuals. CUPW removed the overtime demand as long as casuals etc were given assignments to do it. CP demanded a new sub-class of worker - non union, no benefits etc. Minimum wage. You know that's never going to fly. Use the legions of casuals who are desperate for work --- CP has lamented that they don't understand why so many casuals quit. CP spends $10k on training per casual. Some don't get a shift for months on end - how is this a sustainable model? Toss them a bone and maybe they'll stick around.

CP wants a 55-60% reduction in full time workers. Every other day deliver is 50% of letter carriers out the door, then with the conversion to CMB, there's another 10-20% gone.

Of course CUPW is going to fight that.
 
BigEvilDoer said:
Technically, it's the same strike. We were forced back to work with the gov't mandate ending on the 22nd.

As for being slimy, CP has walked away from the table 3x. Leaving CUPW sitting there for hours on end wondering if CP was coming back. They didn't.

CP has also broken the CBA (was reinstated by the back to work mandate until the 22nd) by rerouting parcels to Purolator - they have been delivering passports etc etc. Over 1100 parcels in my small city in the last 2 days.

CUPW actually gave in to several of their demands with their last proposal, but CP walked away, as noted earlier because they didn't get everything they wanted. They also revoked all of their previous concessions and went back to their first global offer that was offered before the strike.

Now, let's talk weekend parcel delivery. All for it. Go ahead. Use casuals. CUPW removed the overtime demand as long as casuals etc were given assignments to do it. CP demanded a new sub-class of worker - non union, no benefits etc. Minimum wage. You know that's never going to fly. Use the legions of casuals who are desperate for work --- CP has lamented that they don't understand why so many casuals quit. CP spends $10k on training per casual. Some don't get a shift for months on end - how is this a sustainable model? Toss them a bone and maybe they'll stick around.

CP wants a 55-60% reduction in full time workers. Every other day deliver is 50% of letter carriers out the door, then with the conversion to CMB, there's another 10-20% gone.

Of course CUPW is going to fight that.
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Thanks for the info. CP apparently delivered another proposal today. Rightfully, CP did not publicize the contents of the package.
 
GreyGhost said:
Thanks for the info. CP apparently delivered another proposal today. Rightfully, CP did not publicize the contents of the package.
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Last I heard, it hasn't been delivered yet. Could have been during my commute home (started at 4am).

CUPW offered to suspend strike action for at least 2 weeks pending CP sending an offer in today.

Me, I've only got 4 years, 7 months seniority. I'll be one of the first ones out the door if CP has their way.
I'm already looking for a new job.
 
So…
CP has rejected CUPW’s offer of postponing the strike.
They want CUPW to accept it as is, without proper scrutineering.

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