Canada Post - Huge losses

[raginduck]

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As expected, union is smoking crack. The answer for everything is more public sector employees. Why not focus on productivity/value as the most important metric?

PS unions are the devil. They leech off both sides and we are rapidly approaching the point where they kill the host. Hopefully an implosion at CP puts the fear of God in the rest of them.

"Given the seriousness of the matter, it is reprehensible to keep workers and the public on edge when we should all be focused on negotiating good collective agreements that will benefit workers and grow our public service to meet the needs of all Canadians,” it added"

They still haven't budge on the double time for weekend deliveries.

"They have also ignored our offer to use existing collective agreement language to allow for weekend delivery"

Negotiations Update: Canada Post Takes a Pause

This afternoon, Canada Post negotiators informed CUPW that they were leaving the bargaining table, calling it a “temporary pause,” to put together another set of offers. Canada Post would not provide a date for when the Union will receive these proposals. It could be in a few days; it could be...

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[GreyGhost]

They still haven't budge on the double time for weekend deliveries.

"They have also ignored our offer to use existing collective agreement language to allow for weekend delivery"

Negotiations Update: Canada Post Takes a Pause

This afternoon, Canada Post negotiators informed CUPW that they were leaving the bargaining table, calling it a “temporary pause,” to put together another set of offers. Canada Post would not provide a date for when the Union will receive these proposals. It could be in a few days; it could be...

www.cupw.ca

Exactly. Our offer that is the most expensive possible option when the company is facing bankruptcy. Thanks for your help. I'm glad we are having fruitful negotiations.

 

[Mad Mike]

Pretty sure CP employs like 60k+ people. No sitting government is gonna take that political hit.

I think they would. It’s not like a part of gov that goes away, the work still needs to get done, so at least 1/2 of those employees would get picked up by whomever picks up their volume.

 

[Evoex]

I think they would. It’s not like a part of gov that goes away, the work still needs to get done, so at least 1/2 of those employees would get picked up by whomever picks up their volume.

We shall see! My train of thought was job loss = voters.

 

[GreyGhost]

On a related note, cbc says they will no longer pay bonuses as they keep making the news and cause bad optics. They will add the previous bonuses to salary and they are therefore guaranteed. Libs will transfer infinite taxpayer dollars. No reason to run an efficient operation.

CBC to stop paying individual bonuses after controversy

The CBC’s board of directors says the Crown corporation will no longer pay individual bonuses to employees.

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[PrivatePilot]

The CBC has been receiving more or less the same amount of money +/- 10% for a very long time, including during the last conservative government.

I trust everyone is equally upset about when Harper approved the money back then? $946 million in 2005-2006, $1.1B 2011/12, back to the mid 900’s late in his term.

Today’s numbers are not spectacularly far off of Harper’s despite being a decade+ later.

 

[GreyGhost]

The CBC has been receiving more or less the same amount of money +/- 10% for a very long time, including during the last conservative government.

I trust everyone is equally upset about when Harper approved the money back then? $946 million in 2005-2006, $1.1B 2011/12, back to the mid 900’s late in his term.

Today’s numbers are not spectacularly far off of Harper’s despite being a decade+ later.

Before being pushed out Jt added ~1B. Carney added $150M during election. Not sure if either of those are reality or just political lies.

 

[Malks]

The CBC has been receiving more or less the same amount of money +/- 10% for a very long time, including during the last conservative government.

I trust everyone is equally upset about when Harper approved the money back then? $946 million in 2005-2006, $1.1B 2011/12, back to the mid 900’s late in his term.

Today’s numbers are not spectacularly far off of Harper’s despite being a decade+ later.

I've been upset about the money pit that are the CBC, CP and AC for decades. They have all been supported and enabled like addicts for far too long. It's about time to ween them off the public teet.

 

[Mad Mike]

I've been upset about the money pit that are the CBC, CP and AC for decades. They have all been supported and enabled like addicts for far too long. It's about time to ween them off the public teet.

I agree. Govts roll in business should be limited to providing essential services that are not practical or economical for the private sector.

When gov gets into completion, or stays in competion with players in well serviced markets, they generally need a huge subsidy to offset inefficiencies.

We have lots of TV content and couriers that are offer better and more cost effective products.

CBC and CPC mandates should be scaled back to providing only the essential services that private enterprise can’t or won’t deliver.

 

[PrivatePilot]

It’s obvious the hatred of the CBC by many is rooted in people‘s political leanings, but when you actually dive into what they offer for the country versus how much it costs us versus other countries that support public broadcasting, it’s not all bad.

Without the CBC there would be a lot of areas in Canada that would have little or no coverage of news as commercial broadcasters aren’t interested in serving areas that are unprofitable. This is both TV and radio. It’s also a very valuable tool for communication during emergencies such as natural disasters.

In these small rural areas and communities they cover things like town halls, small town elections, etc. These places aren’t going to be covered by the big broadcasters as again, there’s no profit in it, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t hold a lot of value to those who are in these typically under serviced rural areas. It’s easy for people who live in the big cities to say that none of this matters, but for the people who actually live in these areas the reality is much different.

They also provide cultural and Canadian specific programming which in this day and age of the USA increasingly creeping north of the border holds value to a lot of Canadians.

There is a lot of children’s programming as well which isn’t just the usual cartoon trash but actually has some valuable learning components. We have a family member who only lets her kid watch educational slanted programming which he quite enjoys but actually learns from vs staring blankly at the screen. Sort of like PBS in the USA, (i.e. Sesame Street etc) this is another area in which commercial broadcasters aren’t particularly interested in servicing because it’s not profit driven.

Being able to serve virtually our entire country for the amount of money that we spend on it is not a bad ROI. Compared against other public broadcasters like the BBC which costs over $5b

I think it’s important too step back and look at the larger picture of what the CBC provides across the entire country.

 

[GreyGhost]

It’s obvious the hatred of the CBC by many is rooted in people‘s political leanings, but when you actually dive into what they offer for the country versus how much it costs us versus other countries that support public broadcasting, it’s not all bad.

Without the CBC there would be a lot of areas in Canada that would have little or no coverage of news as commercial broadcasters aren’t interested in serving areas that are unprofitable. This is both TV and radio. It’s also a very valuable tool for communication during emergencies such as natural disasters.

In these small rural areas and communities they cover things like town halls, small town elections, etc. These places aren’t going to be covered by the big broadcasters as again, there’s no profit in it, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t hold a lot of value to those who are in these typically under serviced rural areas. It’s easy for people who live in the big cities to say that none of this matters, but for the people who actually live in these areas the reality is much different.

They also provide cultural and Canadian specific programming which in this day and age of the USA increasingly creeping north of the border holds value to a lot of Canadians.

There is a lot of children’s programming as well which isn’t just the usual cartoon trash but actually has some valuable learning components. We have a family member who only lets her kid watch educational slanted programming which he quite enjoys but actually learns from vs staring blankly at the screen. Sort of like PBS in the USA, (i.e. Sesame Street etc) this is another area in which commercial broadcasters aren’t particularly interested in servicing because it’s not profit driven.

Being able to serve virtually our entire country for the amount of money that we spend on it is not a bad ROI. Compared against other public broadcasters like the BBC which costs over $5b

I think it’s important too step back and look at the larger picture of what the CBC provides across the entire country.

It's a terrible roi. I pay more for the cbc than I do for Netflix. Like most liberal spending, they start with a good idea and then extend it to the more money you put in, the better. That is a ridiculous path and there isn't infinite taxpayer money to spend. Cbc should exist for the reasons ypu mentioned. Everything that is not laser focused on those goals should be cut. All cbc national news should be the first cut as it is purely the propaganda arm of the libs and they are detached from any semblance of truth or reality. That isn't helpful. That is corruption.

EDIT:
And yes, I know, their funding was constant until recently. The landscape was far different the last time there was a con government. CBC needs less money every year to fit their new roll. They should never have an increased budget as their roll will continue to decrease over time.

 

[ReSTored]

Are we in line for another strike? I hope not.

CP should increase prices to cover the current deficit and move forward with community mailboxes wherever possible.

CUPW is doing what a union is supposed to do, advocate for their members, however ridiculous or out of touch their demands or expectations might seem to be at times.

The expectation of time and a half or double time for weekend work is based on legacy agreements that go back decades, when Monday - Friday work was the norm for most members, aside from those that work in sorting centers. I'd be curious to know what percentage of CP workers do in fact work on weekends at the increased rate. Is this the norm, or is this the exception? Don't know.

 

[PrivatePilot]

It's a terrible roi. I pay more for the cbc than I do for Netflix.

When you take their current budget and divide it by the population of Canada, the CBC costs each Canadian a grand total of $32.50 per year.

You’re not getting even a single month of Netflix for that much less a year.

I’m perfectly good with that expense personally for what I get out of it. This hour has 22 minutes alone gives me $30 a year worth of laughs alone, much less other shows I like like Marketplace etc.

And yes, I know, their funding was constant until recently. The landscape was far different the last time there was a con government. CBC needs less money every year to fit their new roll.

Nothing costs the same as even 5 years ago, much less 10-20 years ago. Saying “do less” doesn’t automatically mean it’ll cost that much proportionally less than say, 10 years ago. The lunch I just ate was $8 10 years ago, $12 today.

 

[GreyGhost]

When you take their current budget and divide it by the population of Canada, the CBC costs each Canadian a grand total of $32.50 per year.

You’re not getting even a single month of Netflix for that much less a year.

I’m perfectly good with that expense personally for what I get out of it. This hour has 22 minutes alone gives me $30 a year worth of laughs alone, much less other shows I like like Marketplace etc.



Nothing costs the same as even 5 years ago, much less 10-20 years ago. Saying “do less” doesn’t automatically mean it’ll cost that much proportionally less than say, 10 years ago. The lunch I just ate was $8 10 years ago, $12 today.

I have to pay for 4 people. That is $130/yr at the old funding rates. Libs have promised much much more. I consume zero cbc. If thh22m is commercially viable, it would survive. The stinkers would disappear.

Edit:
If you want to play real fun with numbers, less than half of Canadians are tax payers (~18.5/40). That means you are paying $70/year as you have to cover one of the non-payers.

 

[Evoex]

When you take their current budget and divide it by the population of Canada, the CBC costs each Canadian a grand total of $32.50 per year.

You’re not getting even a single month of Netflix for that much less a year.

I’m perfectly good with that expense personally for what I get out of it. This hour has 22 minutes alone gives me $30 a year worth of laughs alone, much less other shows I like like Marketplace etc.



Nothing costs the same as even 5 years ago, much less 10-20 years ago. Saying “do less” doesn’t automatically mean it’ll cost that much proportionally less than say, 10 years ago. The lunch I just ate was $8 10 years ago, $12 today.

Perfect, so let's make it a subscription platform and those who value the content can support it.

 

[GreyGhost]

Perfect, so let's make it a subscription platform and those who value the content can support it.

About 1M people a month use gem. They do not disclose how many people pay $6/mo for premium gem. Once again, an organization is burning public money and then arguing trade secrets to keep the cloak of silence closed. Pick a lane. Either public money and all of the light or private and as many secrets as you want.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Perfect, so let's make it a subscription platform and those who value the content can support it.

By that logic should we do away with things like libraries? Public parks? Ditch rural broadband expansion? Student loan programs? Disaster response preparedness programs and services? Sickness benefits? Huge infrastructure programs that might not serve one’s immediate area?

These are all examples of public expenditures on things that not everybody uses, but provides benefit to our country and society.

Government doesn’t need to be run like a business, it’s not always about profit and losses, it’s about serving the country and its people. . We are seeing a real time example south of the border right now of what happens when somebody tries to run a country like a business instead of….a country.

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