bigpoppa
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cant be that bad? Unless your also unlocking a bunch of stuff or something?
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BMW S1000R maintenance.
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I believe one video claimed they tear apart and check the throttle body. Trying to find it again. Parts were oil & filter. Labour was over three hours.
Some bikes just need more time to get at the guts of it than others.
BMW F-bikes are half the price of the R-bikes, but the service on them is 1.25-1.5x the cost because it takes longer to remove all the tupperware, tank, and disconnect all the hoses and cables to work on the engine. Whereas with the R-bikes, the jugs are sitting out there exposed (are we still talking about motorcycles here?), just two screws to remove the valve cover.
BMW F-bikes are half the price of the R-bikes, but the service on them is 1.25-1.5x the cost because it takes longer to remove all the tupperware, tank, and disconnect all the hoses and cables to work on the engine. Whereas with the R-bikes, the jugs are sitting out there exposed (are we still talking about motorcycles here?), just two screws to remove the valve cover.
My ‘17 fz09 needed throttle bodies balanced at 1st service.
That's how it was with my suzuki, you need to let an authorized suzuki dealer do the 1000 kms service in order for your warranty to be valid, but any future service you can do anywhere (or yourself). I think in order for them to deny a warranty claim the burden of proof would be on them to prove the part that failed did so due to you failing to service it, but I'm just guessing here.
That was cast wheels that were the issue not the bikes.Both the KLR and the V Storm required lots of work and parts after the 5500 km trip.I have addressed the rim issues for when I make the next trip up there hopefully in the fall with a 2022 GSA
When shopping for a 1 year old used bike in 2003 I looked at the Honda ST1100 and the BMW RT. Primary reason I picked the Honda was service cost as IMO, at that time, the BMW would be much more expensive to maintain long term than the Honda. Over 139,000 km the Honda turned out to be dead reliable and parts were anywhere from 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of BMW ones. I did the labor, but if I needed to go to a dealer BMW would have been much more expensive.
I think BMW's can be exquisitely designed and built bikes with top tech, but you pay for this in terms of initial cost, parts replacement and service.
I'm a big believer in the concept of diminishing returns and opportunity cost. I can get 90% of the bike, for 70% of the cost, and enjoy it 100% of the time by buying a Honda vs. a BMW. For me, that's a great deal. The savings I spend on something else
I think BMW's can be exquisitely designed and built bikes with top tech, but you pay for this in terms of initial cost, parts replacement and service.
I'm a big believer in the concept of diminishing returns and opportunity cost. I can get 90% of the bike, for 70% of the cost, and enjoy it 100% of the time by buying a Honda vs. a BMW. For me, that's a great deal. The savings I spend on something else
bigpoppa
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yeah but then you have to ride at grandma pace
Mad Mike
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I swapped my FJR with a KLR rider I met along the way when looping Superior. Not ideal for munching miles on an Interstate at 80mph, but if you're running blue highways, backroads, city riding -- it's great. You're not going to outrun a Versys or Vstrom but you'll be right with a CB500x or DR650 all day.
A KLR isn't going to hurt your wallet. Maint costs are low, parts and farkles are cheep (top boxes are about $5). They also hold their value, a 2012 would have been about $6200 new, they sell for $4500 or more used 10 years later.
bigpoppa
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you love your klr, and thats cool (full disclosure, I dont own any BMWs ,and I poke fun of GS owners all day everyday) ,but comparing it to a GS is objectively hilarious
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Mad Mike
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Unless you're on the Translab gathering up fragments of a German driveshaft or wheel rim scattered across the gravel. A KLR looks pretty good in those circumstances.
I really do like the klr. Here's my comparison. Let me know where I'm wrong
Goes anywhere a GS will go
Easily maintained by owner w/o expensive service intervals
It's more reliable (from what I've seen/heard)
Costs about a third of the GS
You don't cry when you dump it (over and over again)
People don't automatically think your a snob
And of course milk crates look GOOD on killer
I am on my 3rd R1200-50 and I have found my comfort zone in motorcycling after 47 years of riding after owning many different styles of bikes.I do not do my own servicing anymore so the dealership experience is a big part of the ownership process for myself.I remember the terrible interactions that I had with dealers when I had Japanese bikes that turned me off riding for a while.I had nothing but excellent service on both my Ducati and BMW’s.
No big smile when you whack the throttle open. Less composed in high speed sweepers. They are both cool bikes but they have very different approaches. As a daily driver bike or for week to month long tours mostly on roads with some exploring I would prefer the GS. If I was setting off for years solo, KLR would be my choice.
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bigpoppa
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I mean, technically speaking, a toyota is the same as a ferrari too yeah?
4 wheels, used for transportation, but the comparisons end there
Not sayin the KLR isnt a nice bike, but the GS is in a different universe altogether
bigpoppa
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eh...imo the T7 is the new klr isnt it?
New, they're almost neck and neck in price now days(adventure spec), but the yamaha does everything the KLR does, except much better
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I don't know. For RTW I would take an old KLR over a new KLR or a T7. T7 is about double the price of a KLR. I put it half way between the KLR and GS in my mind.
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