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When we are both 60 I'd sooner be me then you. I will say I don't think anyone should sacrifice everything for the last 20-30 years of your life. When I was a kid I always ate the stuff on my plate I didn't like first. Like debt. Get it behind you then no worries. Nothing can ba taken away. Monthly bills are doable on one income if someone loses their job. My take. No regrets. Freedom. Going to Italy in September paid cash. Life's good.:)
Interesting thing to say, considering you don't know a thing about my situation.

Enjoy, was in Africa for over 2 weeks earlier this year. Skydiving over Vic. Falls in Zimbabwe, 1 week Safari in Tanzania and a week in the Seychelles. Paid cash too, not that i think it matters. Money is just money, life experience over everything. That's what really cannot be taken away.

 
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It'll be interesting times for sure. There are a whole lot of conflicting data points in the last few days which point to different ways this could pan out:

Canadian inflation jumped to 2.4%, BoC might have to raise interest rates

However, Two banks just *lowered* their 5-year rates to 2.99%
Interest rates will have to rise eventually and its likely going to be sooner than later as we have had a period of historically low rates for a long while now. We'll see what happens with the US economy in the next while.
 
Interesting thing to say, considering you don't know a thing about my situation.

Enjoy, was in Africa for over 2 weeks earlier this year. Skydiving over Vic. Falls in Zimbabwe, 1 week Safari in Tanzania and a week in the Seychelles. Paid cash too, not that i think it matters. Money is just money, life experience over everything. That's what really cannot be taken away.

Your right. I know nothing of you. Most people would benefit from owning a house and paying a mortgage. Forced savings. Most without that wouldn't have the discipline to save. If your the kind that can do that then congratulations. No really. We could very possibly end up with a comparable outcome.
 
Your right. I know nothing of you. Most people would benefit from owning a house and paying a mortgage. Forced savings. Most without that wouldn't have the discipline to save. If your the kind that can do that then congratulations. No really. We could very possibly end up with a comparable outcome.
I plan to see everything i can while i can then, go out in a blaze of glory. No plans to take wealth to my grave, i just make sure i keep enough in my pockets to do what i want when i want to.
 
Interest rates will have to rise eventually and its likely going to be sooner than later as we have had a period of historically low rates for a long while now. We'll see what happens with the US economy in the next while.

Generally I agree with you, but the CDN economy is a house of cards dependent on the housing market, plus so many Canadians are highly indebted, having tapped into their home equity to fuel their lifestyle, BoC would effectively be bringing in the next recession by raising rates.
 
Generally I agree with you, but the CDN economy is a house of cards dependent on the housing market, plus so many Canadians are highly indebted, having tapped into their home equity to fuel their lifestyle, BoC would effectively be bringing in the next recession by raising rates.
The only thing holding up the economy the past few years has been housing.
Either way history always repeats itself. Interest rates will rise, recessions will happen, bubbles will burst.
Fact is, housing prices have risen rapidly the past several years and are out of touch with wages. Historically low interest rates, rampant speculation by local and foreign investors have driven this. I will be suprised if this ends well.

Someone asked me in the other thread why I consider real estate agents unsavory.
This was a post I read today by a realtor:

"There is no buble in Toronto. The only reason prices are flat in Toronto are two artificially introduce limitations from the liberals both in Ontario and federally. The stress test must go and it will go when we kick the liberal scum out in October. Also the foreign buyer’s tax in Ontario must go. After that the market will be back to growing at 9-15% a year as it should."
 
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You're preaching to the choir.

Interest rates will rise, but maybe not as quickly as you think it will.

Peak of the Toronto market was April 2017. Vancouver was July 2018. People who took out 7-figure 5-year mortgages at the time will be up for renewal starting in 2022. IMHO, interest rates will *not* be 4.5% in 2022.

BoC will try to engineer the softest landing possible for these highly leveraged Canadians. Even at the expensive of runaway inflation. They will introduce all manner of stress-tests, first time homebuyers assistance, alternative housing solutions, deterrents to short-term AirBnB-type rentals that take inventory away from the long-term housing pool.

Although they're loathe to "keep the good times rolling" via cheap credit to real estate speculators, I doubt they're going to stop the party by slitting the country's throat.
 
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I always find it amusing when I hear older generations talk about how quicly they paid off their mortgages. First and foremost, interest rates and house prices are very strongly inversely correlated. As the rates fall, house prices go up. If your wage remains the same, but the interest rate drops from 6% to 3% you are left with extra money at the end of every month that you can use to now buy a more expensive house. Sounds good, but, your neighbor and their neighbor are all in the same position, so you bid the house prices up. In the end you get the same house that you would have bought with higher interest rates, and your monthly payments remain virtually unchanged. The difference is that your debt is much higher. Instead of having a $200k mortgage, you have a $300k mortgage. This brings about many problems for the house buyer: to avoid cmhc you now need an extra $20g for the downpayment, land transfer fees are higher, property taxes are higher, and most importantly if you have an extra $1g at the end of each month and put it against the principle, it goes much further on the smaller mortgage than on the higher mortgage. Finally, inflated house prices cause increased pressure on rental rates because no rational investor is going to buy a rental property unless a profit is expected. In short, historically low interest rates are horrifically detrimental to the housing market. The only ones profitting are banks, local gov't, builders, and real estate agents. The idea of having equity in the house you live in is for the most part a myth. You have to live somewhere, so if you sell you $1.2mil house that you paid $600k for 7 years ago, chances are you'll be moving into another house that's in a similar price range which means you are no better off. If you decide to move to a depressed economy, that's a different story.
 
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I always find it amusing when I hear older generations talk about how quicly they paid off their mortgages.
They paid them off quickly because they were so cheap to begin with and when interest rates plummeted so did their payments. The current young generation will never have that privilege. Interest rates can really only go up from here.

A small bungalow cost $30K in 1982 in Richmond Hill, today its worth well over a mill.
 
Tell that to Japan, who's had zero percent interest rates for 20 years now.
Have they? I thought it was only briefly they went to zero.
Speaking of Japan, the Tokyo real estate bubble of the late 80s makes Canadas look laughable. $25000 US a sqft (1990) in some parts of Tokyo at its peak.
 
The idea of having equity in the house you live in is for the most part a myth. You have to live somewhere, so if you sell you $1.2mil house that you paid $600k for 7 years ago, chances are you'll be moving into another house that's in a similar price range which means you are no better off. If you decide to move to a depressed economy, that's a different story.

This is where we stand now actually....bought for 420k and now have a mortgage left of around 340k after 3 years living in our townhouse. Looking to sell and pricing is around ~550k give or take. With the sale of our other property we are now looking to buy a larger place with 4 bedrooms due to growing family, and I can't wait to get away from the townhouse we currently have. But still after 500k from the other property, and 200k from this property, we are going to have basically the same mortgage 350-400k just in a larger house. Trying to find a nice 4bdrm detached within a million (that doesn't need a **** ton of work) is proving hard in all honesty. If I didn't hate this place so much I'd just pay the damn thing off and live like a king...my regret is not stretching our budget by 100-150k 3 years ago and just struggling to pay it down instead of now trying to catch up. Ah well...live and learn I guess.

EDIT: for anyone looking I recommend bungol.ca as it allows you to see list price, sale price, and days on market to get an idea of what's what. From what I'm seeing majority of homes are selling for 95-97% of asking within our range and area of focus.
 
Septic tank and tile bed 8k
 
The idea of having equity in the house you live in is for the most part a myth.

Lol. I can't believe I read that. haha
I could write a huge response but don't care enough.
 
I am in the position to move into a detached home from my townhouse.

4 bdrm. townhouse, low condo fees, bought under 200k 10 years ago (in awful shape though... previous owners trashed it and were disgusting...)
Worth in the neighbourhood of $450 now.

Everything else in my area is $700+...

I'm almost mortgage free. Lived with no frills for the last 10 years and paid it down fast.

My dilemma: keep what I have and live stress free, or buy bigger and move up.

2nd kid on the way. Still have enough space currently, but need a garage... need storage for tools for work.

Rode an old junk bike for years.
Saved everything I made for a year for the down payment, and cut out pretty much all fun activities (except cheap cost effective ones) for that year.

It can be done, but it's getting alot harder to get into the market.

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I am in the position to move into a detached home from my townhouse.

4 bdrm. townhouse, low condo fees, bought under 200k 10 years ago (in awful shape though... previous owners trashed it and were disgusting...)
Worth in the neighbourhood of $450 now.

Everything else in my area is $700+...

I'm almost mortgage free. Lived with no frills for the last 10 years and paid it down fast.
Well done! Just imagine being debt free and not having to pay rent or pay a mortgage. Your funds are then yours to do with what you like.
 
I get the point you're trying to make, but septic bed would cost you more than that...
Not if you get Glen Matson to install it.

... add 400$ for sod to cover it.
 

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