Does my dream motorcycle exist?

TwistedKestrel

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I know this is more of a winter type post where none of us have anything better to do, but riding season hasn't started for me yet due to technical reasons and/or laziness. I know I'm not the only one either. I'm bored, so...

I'm drawing on your collective knowledge of bikes, to see if anyone has made the bike I actually want. Probably the closest reasonable option is the 2013-14 Fazer 8, and the closest unlimited option is the new BMW R1200 RS. I want a bike that is both good at bopping around town, and good for riding across the country. I don't need built-in hard luggage - for the 5-10% of the time I actually need them, I have never found soft bags to be lacking. Also, it has to be some degree of cool, which is somewhat intangible and subjective (e.g. the R1200 RS, while it sounds like a great ride and has cool features, is not really a bike that I consider to be "cool"). I don't really care if it's heavy, as my person has somewhere around 80lbs of weight savings built-in, but it does have to have a rigid frame (floppy bikes are a no).

Feelings on bikes I've owned:
GS500 (current): I bought it because it was cheap. And it's definitely a functional, utilitarian, very simple to maintain motorcycle. But it's also cheap. Oddly it has maybe the worst brakes I've had on a bike, despite them both being disc, it corrodes in between blinks, it barely runs in the cold/rain (actually stranding me more than once), on the highway it has the stability of a tricycle rolling downhill... 30 min valve adjustments and the best factory seat I've ever sat on are the best selling points.

2012 Ninja 1000 (prev): Generally a really nice ride. Adjustable windscreen is nice, love the styling & finish, more power than I ever needed or wanted, nice big tank, nice dash. Brakes were not lacking in power, but are kinda... vague? Probably pads & steel lines would have fixed that. The clutch made so much noise it sounded like it was broken but it wasn't, the muffler muffled a little too well (obviously fixable), the stock seat was surprisingly horrendous, and at cruise a lot of vibes came through the bars. Also a little top heavy - never caused a real problem but I had nightmares about dropping it, and those nicely metallic painted fairings probably cost a fortune to replace. Factory tires were not confidence inspiring. No centre stand equipped or possible. Just about everything but the centre stand is fixable via aftermarket, of course. It was a good bike but I'm not sure if I'll buy another because... it sorta took the fun out of things? You had to go REALLY fast to get any drama out of it. You couldn't even pin it through one gear on an on-ramp without becoming a newspaper candidate for stunting. It completely straightened out any sweeper. I feel like Kawi just about perfected street handling on that bike, and it turns out I don't want that. (Also it uses premium gas, which is silly)

ZX-11D (prev prev): I liked just about everything about this bike. The only real problem with it is that they are all officially old now, and it's a pain to work on because everything only comes out one way, and I hate working on motorcycles. To get at the rear shock, you are seriously just about taking the bike down to the motor and the frame. I guess one possible solution is to wait for a well-sorted ZX-11 to come by, then buy it and not **** around with it. No wait, there's another problem - insurance considers it to be either a 1100cc or 1052cc displacement supersport, depending on how fine grained their math is. It offends my sensibilities to be paying that much to ride around something that is not in the same galaxy as, say, a S1000RR.
 
Well, this is probably predictable but as a Fazer 800 owner I'd vouch for it. Wind protection on the highway offered by the half-fairing and windshield is good. That half-fairing also leaves the engine exposed which appeals to my sense of aesthetic (i.e. being able to see some of the bike's "bones".)

At ~105HP it's not a superbike but it's more than capable on the highway and it returns decent fuel economy.

As a "sport tourer" it's got good ergos with proper bars and and an upright-ish seating position for longer stints in the saddle.

Givi, for one, makes some nice kit for it in terms of hardware for panniers, top-boxes and tank-bags.
 
Had a 1200GS, a 1993 purple/orange ZX-11 and now ride a S1000R. I think I had the ZX-11 the longest of them all.

The S1000r smokes them all for street riding, is a joy to ride and lack of heft. It is light years ahead of the kawy 1000. If you found the NInja 1000 formidable, forget the 1000R.

Insurance is unfortunately another issue completely. Anything really fun to ride will be expensive to insure.

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Well, this is probably predictable but as a Fazer 800 owner I'd vouch for it. Wind protection on the highway offered by the half-fairing and windshield is good. That half-fairing also leaves the engine exposed which appeals to my sense of aesthetic (i.e. being able to see some of the bike's "bones".)

At ~105HP it's not a superbike but it's more than capable on the highway and it returns decent fuel economy.

As a "sport tourer" it's got good ergos with proper bars and and an upright-ish seating position for longer stints in the saddle.

Givi, for one, makes some nice kit for it in terms of hardware for panniers, top-boxes and tank-bags.

I'd be happy with ~105. I would be happy with 80 and could make do with mid 60s. There's something that I potentially dislike about the Fazer 8 but I don't remember what it is. Tiny dashboard?

I'll die before I put a top-box on a bike... no offense
 

Linked brakes are an automatic disqualification. Also it has the same insurance problem as the ZX-11, though maybe it deserves it a little more as it is faster and more eXXtreme. No offense to Lynn
 
I'd be happy with ~105. I would be happy with 80 and could make do with mid 60s. There's something that I potentially dislike about the Fazer 8 but I don't remember what it is. Tiny dashboard?

The cluster is "average" and has a real analog tach ( which I like):

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The only thing I don't like about it is that the fairing looks a little, erm, awkward from the side:

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Looks a little "hook nosed".

Perhaps one other thing is that the suspension is overly basic on the earlier bikes, with preload on the rear being the only adjustment. I've never felt the need to adjust mine but I'm not a knee-dragger or track-day guy either.

I'll die before I put a top-box on a bike... no offense

None taken. I agree: The only "luggage" I've used on mine is a Cortech magnetic tank bag. But, if I wanted to ride to Ottawa, I'd suck it up and do it so I could carry a bunch of **** with me. It's nice to know I could if I wanted to.
 
The cluster is "average" and has a real analog tach ( which I like)

The tach itself is fine, I like the black on white. I feel like most people are getting tachs right these days (example of "wrong" would be the 2010 Z1000). Generally the bigger the better for me.

The only thing I don't like about it is that the fairing looks a little, erm, awkward from the side

Ah, she looks fine. Hook nosed is no problem. Compares favourably to buck toothed, e.g.

What about the FJ-09.

It sounds like a great engine surrounded by a hideous motorcycle
 
Had a 1200GS, a 1993 purple/orange ZX-11 and now ride a S1000R. I think I had the ZX-11 the longest of them all.

The S1000r smokes them all for street riding, is a joy to ride and lack of heft. It is light years ahead of the kawy 1000. If you found the NInja 1000 formidable, forget the 1000R.

Insurance is unfortunately another issue completely. Anything really fun to ride will be expensive to insure.

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Whoops, didn't see your post.

The S1000R is another bike that seems to come close to ideal. The lack of fairing makes me worry about what it would be like for long highway stints, and I also worry about other things. I have had bikes that seem like they came with a devil that perches on your shoulder and constantly whispers bad ideas into your ear. The S1000R seems like it may fall into that category. How is it to ride when it can't stretch its legs?

Also, how did your Hayabusa compare to the ZX-11, aside from being faster?
 
When the weather breaks I'm going to go to all the usual bike hangouts again. I will look around for you. Can you make a list of demands in point form?
 
When the weather breaks I'm going to go to all the usual bike hangouts again. I will look around for you. Can you make a list of demands in point form?

-Clemency for Edward Snowden
-Lifting of Ontario pitbull ban
-Escape helicopter
-Your donut
 
The tach itself is fine, I like the black on white. I feel like most people are getting tachs right these days (example of "wrong" would be the 2010 Z1000). Generally the bigger the better for me.



Ah, she looks fine. Hook nosed is no problem. Compares favourably to buck toothed, e.g.



It sounds like a great engine surrounded by a hideous motorcycle
Are you thinking of the fz09? The fj is a much different beast.

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It might be manufactured, just not available on this continent... 2016 Triumph Tiger Sport?

Sorta... the variant with semi-active suspension caught my interest before. I can't groove on high-chair bikes though... I never really got it. And it seems to be purely styling driven - clearly those front forks at full compression would maybe use up about half of the available clearance. And if they did go further, you'd be excavating your riding surface with the bottom of the motor. Even if it were a real adventure tourer, that's not my thing anyway. I have a dirt phobia
 
Whoops, didn't see your post.

The S1000R is another bike that seems to come close to ideal. The lack of fairing makes me worry about what it would be like for long highway stints, and I also worry about other things. I have had bikes that seem like they came with a devil that perches on your shoulder and constantly whispers bad ideas into your ear. The S1000R seems like it may fall into that category. How is it to ride when it can't stretch its legs?

Also, how did your Hayabusa compare to the ZX-11, aside from being faster?

zx-11 more comfortable than the Hayabusa. Hayabusa has so much torque it is unreal, zx-14 is a better comparison. Go drive a S1000R, it can call crawl along at any speed and is so tractable down low it is unreal that the motor came from the RR.

As for highway, so far a non issue. Havent tried in heavy rain yet, but I am sure not much different then your ninja 1000 in that regard. The rider aids are remarkable, put bike in rain mode and the bike is relatively docile.

Change suspension settings on the fly. it is the future. And the brakes---they demand respect but with race abs almost as foolproof as anything can be on 2 wheels.

Here is shot with rox risers and z technik windshield and wunderlich deflector. When it gets nicer out I will take more shots from the front as I just installed the screen last week.

The enemy is weight, I firmly believe that. Less weight, less fatigue , more enjoyment. Hence the switch from the busa to the S1000r, and my busa was extra light compared to stock. This bike feels like a toy, and I havent enjoyed riding ANY bike as much as this bike since my 1999 Yamaha R1 which was a great all rounder.

The advancement in rider aids is the game changer for the average rider. The traction control and stability control add such a margin of safety that you really have to try them out.

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fz9 with windshield? lol
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oh wait we live in canada :( lol


Honestly, the japs aren't all that sexy in general

italian, brit have the passion and soul but then japs have the reliability
 

There once was a 1098 S somewhere that was reasonably priced. Out of the budget I had set for myself, but still could have made it happen. The closest I came to owning a Ducati... now you never see them for sale, and they're probably not going to get cheaper
 
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