vrus
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I'd like a trophy
off duty cop tries to run me off the road for lane filtering....
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I'd like a trophy
It does not benefit "many". It benefits only the rider, and may do so to the detriment of those who lose position in traffic and are now behind the bike (or multiple bikes) because of the filtering and who as a result of one or more bikes in line ahead of them may not make it through the NEXT intersection before the light turns red.
Arguments about riders being entitled to split because they somehow "sacrifice" are equally self-serving. In exchange for that "sacrifice" riders often enjoy cheaper commutting fuel and parking costs.
Not enough! I want more!
Well that's odd. I posted, but it went into hyperspace somewhere.
What I said was that I don't really sacrifice anything and, in fact, I save roughly $280.00 per month, in parking fees, when I ride my motorcycle to work. I also typically get home 10 minutes faster, despite abiding by traffic laws.
What I said was that I don't really sacrifice anything and, in fact, I save roughly $280.00 per month, in parking fees, when I ride my motorcycle to work. I also typically get home 10 minutes faster, despite abiding by traffic laws.
You are mixing up filtering and cutting off .... Of course I am cut off daily as you or anybody else here, but I have never seen a car filter or lane split. That was I believe Paul's argument I was replying to.
Now the thread is morphing into whether the OP exaggerated cop's action ... irrelevant in my opinion. The fact was, stopped traffic and he filtered. That is the scenario. OP credibility and describing the situation correctly has nothing to do with that.
Nope, not mixing the two up at all. I've had cars grind tires against the curb, to 'filter' up alongside me at lights, and stop signs. I've had cars 'lane split' me, by driving half in another lane or on the breakdown lane, in order to pass me in heavy traffic. That's not 'cutting off.'
And that bugs you, right? They can fit into a space you in your car cannot .... go figure.
I don't sacrifice anything, at least I am not aware of it. But I do take advantage of me riding 300lbs two wheel vehicle. Equally as people riding bicycles, they will and should take advantage of them self-propelling much lighter bike if they choose to do so. If I was riding my bike, like I drive my car .... ehhmm, I'd rather drive my car.
Fair enough. It has not happened to me in 4 years of riding in Ontario.
Metastable
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Well then you have never seen it done properly. If you sit and watch congested traffic flow in a big European city, you will see the bikes clear off quicker than the cars and keep doing so. It facilitates traffic flow greatly. Saying anything else, IMO is being shortsighted to a ME-FIRST attitude as opposed to trying to aid traffic flow.
There are two types of road users:
1 - Those that impede traffic flow
2 - Those who facilitate traffic flow
I have seen both bikes and cars fit both descriptions. A bike filtering is #2 a bike going slow and holding people up is #1.
A few places in Europe like in Spain, now have a motorcycle/scooter only area at the front of the intersection, so that it aids filtering. THEY DID THIS TO HELP TRAFFIC FLOW.... after doing studies on the matter. Wow what a concept.
Furthermore, maybe the argument of sacrifices isn't strong, but one that IS STRONG is that because of the physical dimensions and capabilities of a motorcycle, the government should use THIS ADVANTAGE to benefit traffic flow for ALL road users.
I don't know why we are even discussing this. It is common sense. If you don't want to split, don't.... stop complaining if YOU WEREN'T paying attention and didn't see someone approaching you. Motorcyclists above ALL OTHER road users should be use to checking their 6 ALL THE TIME.
wonderings
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My experiences in Europe was there was a much larger 2 wheel presence on the roads, so them filtering to the front and moving on quickly would help. I don't live in Toronto of the GTA so not sure if its similar, but in my trips into the city I have never noticed anywhere near the same amount of bikes/scooters on the road.
Would there be the same benefits with a smaller 2 wheel population?
I dont like lane splitting just for the fact that cars do not expect it, and I prefer to keep the rubber down.
Dohhh
Banned
Commuting from downtown Toronto to Brampton, every day, I generally see between 4 and 6 motorcycles on the road, at the same time as me. Of those, I see most on the highway. The benefit, to other road users, would essentially be zero.
wonderings
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That was my thinking.
Speaking of how well it works in Europe and Asia is really a different ball game.
Now you've gone and made too much sense here - wrong thread for that. Filtering will aid volumetric traffic flow ?!?!? No way, that's crazy talk.
The majority of forum participants shouldn't be behind a keyboard, yet doing so immediately makes them an expert in logic and debate.
GayManLoveIsOK
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this is where is disagree with you...yes, what the rider did was not legal, but does that give the right for the police officer, to use his vehicle as a weapon to prove a point...what the cop did was unprofessional, and dangerous, larger vehicle versus smaller...he's a cop, of all people he should know better...
invictus43
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So I guess this thread is pretty much done..
