Forget Power Commanders! - Attention Rider's Choice

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You are correct on the 99 being FI. I've had so many Gixxers, I remember using that manual idle speed on my 99 that mimics a choke for carbs. However, in 1999, I don't remember seeing any shipping receiving business to swap out your ECU for one tuned to your specific bike with your specific aftermarket exhaust. If there was, you wouldn't be asking how it's done.

When I was speaking with M4, my idea was to ship a flashed ECU with each pipe. A package deal...where the end-user doesn't have to spend more money on a PCV and a dyno tune. By the time you're done, a full system and dyno tune can run you $2K. Why not have pre-programmed ECU's to suit your product? The problem with this model is you need the core ECU's as Suzuki isn't going to sell you a bunch of new ECU's without a cut. If they'll sell them to you at all.

The business model is already laid out and already successfully in motion. And as I wrote, Riders Choice is already three quarters there. Dyno tuning the same bike/aftermarket exhaust over and over again is just a waste of time and fuel. Once you've done one, save the map, and catalogue that map. If you want to pursue this business model, I'm sure www.gixxertune.com will help you with the small details. Just give me a free dyno-tune as I'm pretty sure they've stolen my idea.


reciprocity said:
the 99 GSXR750 was fuel injected.I know a tiny bit about the infrastructure at Riders choice, I set up all of the tuning hardware and software at their site.The model you're talking about requires someone with programming knowledge as the tuning has to be pulled out of the OEM ecu.This is more complicated than inputting a state of tune.
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every bike is different, it's a flawed business model, which is why dynojet and bazzaz give away the maps for free.
 
Then you should email www.gixxertune.com and tell them to cease operations immediately because you don't think their already-in-play and making money business is not going to work.

reciprocity said:
every bike is different, it's a flawed business model, which is why dynojet and bazzaz give away the maps for free.
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So according to gixxertune, they say I should see a 5hp increase for $349 with pipes installed. I spent about the same on a Bazzaz unit and picked up 10hp. I also bought the Z-AFM autotune so I can manage my air/fuel ratio all season long which has worked beautifully. Even with the reflash, I'd still need to make sure my target air fuel ratio is consistent and the only way to do that at the track or on site is through a self tuning module like the Z-AFM.

I guess it's not a bad deal for 5hp, but I certainly don't see it as a substitute for a fuel module like Bazzaz.
 
Prince said:
Then you should email www.gixxertune.com and tell them to cease operations immediately because you don't think their already-in-play and making money business is not going to work.
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Your posts give me a headache.

To recap...

- Your idea isnt original, its been done before.
-Its not optimal, every bike is different
-If your a mechanic, your not a good one. Oh, you wouldnt make a good english teacher either in case your wondering.
 
I think what they're offering is more geared to the lay-person who just wants to throw a pipe on, plug in a new ECU and go riding without having to deal with back-firing and after-firing and burning out their valves. Their target customer could care less about the technicals, or messing around with maps on a laptop.They just want to know that their engine is safe after throwing on an aftermarket exhaust system.

MrBruce said:
So according to gixxertune, they say I should see a 5hp increase for $349 with pipes installed. I spent about the same on a Bazzaz unit and picked up 10hp. I also bought the Z-AFM autotune so I can manage my air/fuel ratio all season long which has worked beautifully. Even with the reflash, I'd still need to make sure my target air fuel ratio is consistent and the only way to do that at the track or on site is through a self tuning module like the Z-AFM.I guess it's not a bad deal for 5hp, but I certainly don't see it as a substitute for a fuel module like Bazzaz.
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Prince said:
I think what they're offering is more geared to the lay-person who just wants to throw a pipe on, plug in a new ECU and go riding without having to deal with back-firing and after-firing and burning out their valves. Their target customer could care less about the technicals, or messing around with maps on a laptop.They just want to know that their engine is safe after throwing on an aftermarket exhaust system.
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Do you own a share in this company? or are they giving you a discount of some sort?
Because most people wouldn't get into these types of arguments saying everyone else is wrong an this is the only way to go.
 
No financial interest at all. The only person that seems to think the idea won't work is Reciprocity. But the idea is already working.

Interesting pattern on this forum. Someone disagrees with Reciprocity, and a bunch of fake profiles show up to deliver insults.

jeffjones said:
Do you own a share in this company? or are they giving you a discount of some sort?Because most people wouldn't get into these types of arguments saying everyone else is wrong an this is the only way to go.
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I heard that the owner of gixxertune rolls around in a Ferrari 599 and lives in a mansion on the beach. Flashing ECUs for gixxers is a billion dollar industry.



I also heard that Riders Choice is implementing this into their business and they're already looking for a new 40,000 square foot showroom from all the DOLLA DOLLA BILLS that are undoubtedly gonna start rolling in!!!
 
Prince said:
I think what they're offering is more geared to the lay-person who just wants to throw a pipe on, plug in a new ECU and go riding without having to deal with back-firing and after-firing and burning out their valves. .
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These "LAY-PERSONS" won't hurt anything if they install a pipe with an OEM ecu.

With the reflash, they will still deal with backfiring, this is why there are so many complaints about PC maps not working optimally, because EVERY BIKE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

now I've gotta go create more profiles to call you names with.


(ps. how do you know the gixxertune kids are making money? There are 1000's of these ECU tuners in the car and diesel world, very few of them make money)
 
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for the record, i went into riders choice to grab a power commander, and john told me they can re map it and i dont need the pc. he saved me a couple hundred considering thepc with 400+ and he charged me 200 and change for the yosh box. its a program they use to re map the ecu. got me 4 or 5 extra hp and a couple ftlbs. bike also runs a lot better. great and honest guys there, especially the mechanics.
 
cheeser said:
for the record, i went into riders choice to grab a power commander, and john told me they can re map it and i dont need the pc. he saved me a couple hundred considering thepc with 400+ and he charged me 200 and change for the yosh box. its a program they use to re map the ecu. got me 4 or 5 extra hp and a couple ftlbs. bike also runs a lot better. great and honest guys there, especially the mechanics.
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This is exactly the idea. All Riders Choice has to do now is catalogue your specific bike/map/exhaust and a guy with your set-up will get it in the future over the counter or via mail. The idea is to do away with the Power Commanders and Bazazz units (that Reciprocity and Prostar Motosports quite obviously sell), and save the rider "a lot" of money...while at the same time giving the shop more business. I'm just trying to bring the idea into Canada so the money stays here.
 
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Actually it is quite possible to damage the engine on your bike as a lot of slip-ons these days are coming with cat eliminator pipes. Akro and M4 "slip-ons" are actually 3/4 systems as they come with the cat eliminator. When you remove the cat, you change more variables/parameters than a stock OEM ECU can adjust for.

reciprocity said:
These "LAY-PERSONS" won't hurt anything if they install a pipe with an OEM ecu.With the reflash, they will still deal with backfiring, this is why there are so many complaints about PC maps not working optimally, because EVERY BIKE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.now I've gotta go create more profiles to call you names with.(ps. how do you know the gixxertune kids are making money? There are 1000's of these ECU tuners in the car and diesel world, very few of them make money)
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Brian P said:
FYI you can not do something akin to "auto-tune" via ECU re-flashing (well, actually you CAN, but it's clumsy and awkward unless you can re-flash directly via OBD-II port, which bikes don't yet have ...)
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Just an FYI, my Triumph has an OBDII port and I installed the OE optional silencers this weekend and downloaded the map for it using TuneECU (free), it only cost me a $15 USB-OBDIII cable. Some Ducatis and Aprilias have the same functionality.

Not good news for Prince though :/
 
Oh please... most of you sound like like you keep your bikes in a pressure and temperature controlled bubble to get that extra 0.328HP.
 
sigh!!!

What's the saying, "People living in glass houses ..."
your vs. you're
either vs. neither
Look up the usage.

Now that that's out of the way....What's the verdict, PC "V" or ECU edits ???
 
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