yamaha silent recall on FZ09 leads to paralyzed rider - fly by wire acceleration

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inreb said:
I'll respectfully ask you to consider an opposing view. I think a small jerk at the wrong time could catch a rider off guard where the weight of his arm/body, especially riding one handed while leaned back, could roll the throttle back unintentionally. Maybe he's got his body twisted craning to look over his shoulder w/e.
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All bikes are twitchy at low speed and the clutch should be used (slipped) in low speed maneuvers. Especially FI and sport/power bikes. Riders will slip the clutch (and you experienced riders do it subconsciously) to get smooth riding at low speeds. My sport bike is a bear even at 20 kph. And no the FZ-09 is not out of control twitchy. It is an annoyance issue, not a safety issue. Especially under the conditions of low speed riding where you essentially slip the clutch to be smooth. So, with this in mind, I have to discount your posit.


boyoboy said:
"The throttle was touchy/snatchy. Thousands of these bikes were sold and there has been no pattern or evidence of a big problem."

i dont think the two above quotes from you are equal, would you check the math for me?
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In what way?
 
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boyoboy said:
jeez inreb, I was hoping for some eloquently worded response to post 43. kind of disappointed.
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It's imperative we stay on point, I'd like to resolve the meat of the problem at hand before relaxing with the hijinks.
 
kwtoxman said:
All bikes are twitchy at low speed and the clutch should be used (slipped) in low speed maneuvers. Especially FI and sport/power bikes. Riders will slip the clutch (and you experienced riders do it subconsciously) to get smooth riding at low speeds. My sport bike is a bear under 20 kph. And no the FZ-09 is not out of control twitchy. Especially under the conditions of low speed riding where you essentially slip the clutch to be smooth. It is an annoyance issue, not a safety issue. So, with this in mind, I have to discount your posit.
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Not sure how you could discount my posit as I basically said the same thing assuming insider knowledge. I'm suggesting it's possible to fall off if in fail compilation mode. Fail being the operative word. That a snake lawyer will turn that inside out for monetary gain should be no surprise.
 
Not much point arguing over something not yet tested in court, despite all the lawyer's claims. Also, who writes these things? Does anyone still go to journalism school anymore? Bleh.

Given the insane medical costs in the US, the guy was going to sue no matter what. I'd like to know what his insurance company did and what Yamaha's response was. Possibly the accident report. You know, journalism.

Instead all we get is: The deadlier side of blogging and the hazards of Inreb's cutting-edge remarks are playing out in GTAM's forums as hurt feelings take center stage.
 
kwtoxman said:
All bikes are twitchy at low speed and the clutch should be used (slipped) in low speed maneuvers. Especially FI and sport/power bikes. Riders will slip the clutch (and you experienced riders do it subconsciously) to get smooth riding at low speeds. My sport bike is a bear even at 20 kph. And no the FZ-09 is not out of control twitchy. It is an annoyance issue, not a safety issue. Especially under the conditions of low speed riding where you essentially slip the clutch to be smooth. So, with this in mind, I have to discount your posit.




In what way?
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you will have to read all of post #60 words top to bottom for comprehension.
 
inreb said:
I'll respectfully ask you to consider an opposing view. I think a small jerk at the wrong time could catch a rider off guard where the weight of his arm/body, especially riding one handed while leaned back, could roll the throttle back unintentionally. Maybe he's got his body twisted craning to look over his shoulder w/e. Not saying it's the Piano companys' fault at that point.
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What opposing view? There's only my view and the wrong view, that's all. Right NeilV?

No, of course there are some throttle problems that could cause a loss of control, but there are equally some twitchy throttles that are benign from a safety standpoint. The question is what was Yamaha aware of, and is this TSB evidence that they knew about a significant problem and tried to mask it with a quiet patch? All I'm saying is the TSB is hardly a smoking gun, it's a pretty reasonable way to deal with a problem of a snatchy throttle. It doesn't prove anything about Yamaha trying to get away with an allegedly dangerous throttle problem.
 
Flywheel said:
Not much point arguing over something not yet tested in court, despite all the lawyer's claims. Also, who writes these things? Does anyone still go to journalism school anymore? Bleh.

Given the insane medical costs in the US, the guy was going to sue no matter what. I'd like to know what his insurance company did and what Yamaha's response was. Possibly the accident report. You know, journalism.

Instead all we get is: The deadlier side of blogging and the hazards of Inreb's cutting-edge remarks are playing out in GTAM's forums as hurt feelings take center stage.
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"Not much point arguing over something not yet tested in court as hurt feelings take center stage." Rare is the occasion where I can gloss over most of what you wrote with seemingly no ill effects.
 
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fastar1 said:
What opposing view? There's only my view and the wrong view, that's all. Right NeilV?

No, of course there are some throttle problems that could cause a loss of control, but there are equally some twitchy throttles that are benign from a safety standpoint. The question is what was Yamaha aware of, and is this TSB evidence that they knew about a significant problem and tried to mask it with a quiet patch? All I'm saying is the TSB is hardly a smoking gun, it's a pretty reasonable way to deal with a problem of a snatchy throttle. It doesn't prove anything about Yamaha trying to get away with an allegedly dangerous throttle problem.
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Isn't that the lawyers position? Documentation will show there was some kind of throttle problem. After that it's all hot coffee to the crotch.
 
I'm not disputing the lawyer on the whole, just the claim that the TSB is evidence of guilt.
 
fastar1 said:
I'm not disputing the lawyer on the whole, just the claim that the TSB is evidence of guilt.
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Sounds to me like we're in agreement. Please show me where we're not!
 
Sounds to me like Yamaha was more interested in their reputation than the welfare of their customers. Knew of the problem, didn't volunteer to fix it. Customer got hurt because of it. No telling how many others got hurt who didn't understand what was wrong with their bike. Having owned a Yamaha and having experienced their product support I suggest they didn't care. Don't buy a Yamaha.
 
Roadghost said:
Sounds to me like Yamaha was more interested in their reputation than the welfare of their customers. Knew of the problem, didn't volunteer to fix it. Customer got hurt because of it. No telling how many others got hurt who didn't understand what was wrong with their bike. Having owned a Yamaha and having experienced their product support I suggest they didn't care. Don't buy a Yamaha.
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LOL, you are reading the words of the people suing. There was no volunteering information issue. There has been only one person posted here alleging a serious safety issue out of thousands of bikes sold.

As for caring about products, look at harley. :)
[video=youtube;Gmw6QppXnEY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6QppXnEY[/video]
 
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kwtoxman said:
LOL, you are reading the words of the people suing. There was no volunteering information issue. There has been only one person posted here alleging a serious safety issue out of thousands of bikes sold.

As for caring about products, look at harley. :)
[video=youtube;Gmw6QppXnEY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6QppXnEY[/video]
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We'll just have to see what happens, like will there be another 1000 complainants coming forward now that the case is being publicized?

Not sure what 10 year old Harley videos have to do with Yamaha's throttle problem.
 
Roadghost said:
Not sure what 10 year old Harley videos have to do with Yamaha's throttle problem.
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It's a direct response to something you wrote. Being not sure doesn't bode well for a lucid discussion going forward. Eagerly awaiting on how this shakes out. Godspeed to all participants.
 
Many of the links associated with this story date back to the August timeframe. I can't find anything more recent. Maybe the wheels of justice turn really slowly...
 
inreb said:
"Not much point arguing over something not yet tested in court as hurt feelings take center stage." Rare is the occasion where I can gloss over most of what you wrote with seemingly no ill effects.
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An astute summary is the ideal counter to the chatter of opinions.
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