Green Meenie
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Classic example of Brampton Drivers. That's why they tack on an additional 10-15% to our insurance rates if you're sporting a Brampton home address!!
WTF accidents in the GTA this week?
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Classic example of Brampton Drivers. That's why they tack on an additional 10-15% to our insurance rates if you're sporting a Brampton home address!!
Houghtonator
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Another Crash
this one is two mins from my house
http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120511/120511_vaughan_crash/20120511/?hub=CP24Home
i now realize that reducing the speed won't change anything
maybe even introduce mandatory driving classes in public schools as early as Gr.9 where students have to learn about driving and the Highway Traffic Act
i think we should also have winter defensive driving class licenses, where you get a W-class ontop of your G-class (ex. GM2W)
and forcing drivers who've accumulated traffic tickets and involved in at-fault accidents going to classes
i absolutely support this
this one is two mins from my house
http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120511/120511_vaughan_crash/20120511/?hub=CP24Home
i now realize that reducing the speed won't change anything
maybe even introduce mandatory driving classes in public schools as early as Gr.9 where students have to learn about driving and the Highway Traffic Act
i think we should also have winter defensive driving class licenses, where you get a W-class ontop of your G-class (ex. GM2W)
and forcing drivers who've accumulated traffic tickets and involved in at-fault accidents going to classes
i absolutely support this
There is currently a financial disincentive to doing this, and it is insurance. It's definitely not a perfect system, but it is the primary obstacle to the roads being littered with teenagers on superbikes. If driving standards were higher, I think the assumption is that the same would apply to motorcycle riding, as the two tracks are currently similar.
Classic example of Brampton Drivers. That's why they tack on an additional 10-15% to our insurance rates if you're sporting a Brampton home address!!
And you surely know that they were residents of Brampton, right??? It could never be the case that someone from Toronto passing through Brampton causes accident ..... sure.
Not many of us around ...
conundrum
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I fully agree that testing should be harder, there should be more of it, and there should be a cc limit on bikes when first starting out.
In terms of testing, it does dumbfound me that someone can go write the M1, get a hayabusa and ride it having never been on 2 wheels before in their life. Even the M2 course (I did it through RTI) was good, but imo that test should be what is needed for you to even get your M1 (also a similar set up for getting your G1).
I'd also support re-testing, as annoying as it would likely turn out to be if it meant safer roads out there. It also shocks me that once you reach a certain age you have to go in for a written test, but they never bother to test you on the road again. My grandfather still drives, and passed the written test when he had to take it again (barely), but he gets startled by anyone doing close to the speed limit (he drives 20-30 under usually). No one can take his license away from him, but luckily he never drives far, stays off the 401, and won't drive at night, so that limits the risk to him and to others around him.
As for cc limits, again the first paragraph comes to mind (hayabusa with no experience -- at my RTI class they said they had someone like this in a past year, and they barely passed on a CBR125R). Skill takes time, and so long as there are limiter kits out there (the UK has some), I see no reason why this shouldn't exist, and could potentially even lead to cheaper insurance rates, although I have my doubts (as they'd never lower it unless forced by the government).
On a somewhat lighter note, I saw this on facebook the other day, and as it also applies here I figured I'd post it:
In terms of testing, it does dumbfound me that someone can go write the M1, get a hayabusa and ride it having never been on 2 wheels before in their life. Even the M2 course (I did it through RTI) was good, but imo that test should be what is needed for you to even get your M1 (also a similar set up for getting your G1).
I'd also support re-testing, as annoying as it would likely turn out to be if it meant safer roads out there. It also shocks me that once you reach a certain age you have to go in for a written test, but they never bother to test you on the road again. My grandfather still drives, and passed the written test when he had to take it again (barely), but he gets startled by anyone doing close to the speed limit (he drives 20-30 under usually). No one can take his license away from him, but luckily he never drives far, stays off the 401, and won't drive at night, so that limits the risk to him and to others around him.
As for cc limits, again the first paragraph comes to mind (hayabusa with no experience -- at my RTI class they said they had someone like this in a past year, and they barely passed on a CBR125R). Skill takes time, and so long as there are limiter kits out there (the UK has some), I see no reason why this shouldn't exist, and could potentially even lead to cheaper insurance rates, although I have my doubts (as they'd never lower it unless forced by the government).
On a somewhat lighter note, I saw this on facebook the other day, and as it also applies here I figured I'd post it:
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ItIsWhatItIs
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This is the problem, the person who abruptly shifted lanes is the one who caused the accident yet the driver following will hit the slow vehicle if they are not paying attention and will get the at fault declaration. Years ago I had this happen to me. The roads were wet from rain and the truck in front of me abruptly shifted lanes to avoid a mattress that fell unto the road. I didn't have time to brake so I flew off the road and down into a ditch. My car was toast from this. Riding or driving needs attention. Having a lapse of attention will happen. Cross your fingers it will not be at a critical moment.
OpenGambit
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the word.. "cause"... i don't think it means what you think it means.
I agree, it was a weird and stressful week driving in the GTA...I noticed a lot of aggressive drivers this week.
An unusually high number IMO...I felt a measurable level of added stress.
I had two fairly serious road rage incidents this week. After the first I was beginning to think it was just me bringing some mental baggage onto the roads or something. Even after I consciously tried to calm my driving down to "buddist monk level" it was still occurring all around me.
Maybe people are getting tired....I know I'm tired of all the smart phones, every red light people are on their phones like it was the stock exchange or something...light turns green, no one moves, people honk, they give everyone else the finger!
The sheer level of selfishness on the roads has hit the hard limit....I don't have the answers.
An unusually high number IMO...I felt a measurable level of added stress.
I had two fairly serious road rage incidents this week. After the first I was beginning to think it was just me bringing some mental baggage onto the roads or something. Even after I consciously tried to calm my driving down to "buddist monk level" it was still occurring all around me.
Maybe people are getting tired....I know I'm tired of all the smart phones, every red light people are on their phones like it was the stock exchange or something...light turns green, no one moves, people honk, they give everyone else the finger!
The sheer level of selfishness on the roads has hit the hard limit....I don't have the answers.
invictus43
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A very wise post...
stevex
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to quote No Country for Old Men -
"Oh it's the tide. It's the dismal tide. It's not the one thing."
invictus43
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Werd..
rattlesnakeross
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Why cut out every kid @16 just because many young people drive poorly?
Don't agree with cutting out everybody over 55 either. I wouldn't have been able to drive for the last 15 years but only had one moving violation in the last 15 years, (Speeding) I usually drive above the speed limit but just below the ticket threshhold I hope. Not had an at fault accident in 45 years, presently drive about 3000 km a week on the 400, 407, 401. I fully agree with proper driver testing every 5 years for all drivers and every 2 years for drivers over 65 but eliminating driving priveleges based on age alone without proper testing is not the answer.
Also , I do not find MOST drivers on the road to be idiots. There are too many poor drivers but not the majority. I can usually drive from Orillia to Toronto all week and never have to hit the brakes hard or have anybody cut me off.
I don't consider myself any better than the average driver, perhaps just a different attitude than some
Don't agree with cutting out everybody over 55 either. I wouldn't have been able to drive for the last 15 years but only had one moving violation in the last 15 years, (Speeding) I usually drive above the speed limit but just below the ticket threshhold I hope. Not had an at fault accident in 45 years, presently drive about 3000 km a week on the 400, 407, 401. I fully agree with proper driver testing every 5 years for all drivers and every 2 years for drivers over 65 but eliminating driving priveleges based on age alone without proper testing is not the answer.
Also , I do not find MOST drivers on the road to be idiots. There are too many poor drivers but not the majority. I can usually drive from Orillia to Toronto all week and never have to hit the brakes hard or have anybody cut me off.
I don't consider myself any better than the average driver, perhaps just a different attitude than some
ItIsWhatItIs
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All I am saying is brake lights are a subliminal que. If the person in front of you shifts lanes without signaling or braking, you the follower are left to react. The right thing to do is hit the brakes and que the followers to do the same.
rollandburn
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I still recall my first trip to the peelers when I was 17 on leave from Base Border in Barrie for the weekend. The bouncers/waitresses/professional women def knew I was underage, they just didn't care because of the 'army factor'... we were going to be picked up by the military police if anything happened, not the standard po-po. Even on the base in the mess hall the booze flowed without issue to underagers... if you can fight for your country you can drink in it they said. Made sense to me... "We can't be hypocrites and give a kid a fully automatic C9 but not a beer!" haha
OpenGambit
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Whatever helps you dodge the responsibility in your own mind.
It's a combination of ****** drivers, horrible drive test centers giving out licenses, and the Toronto attitude of " Where and what I gotta do is far more important then you ". For instance, my girlfriends younger sister just got her G2 license and took her car out. When it got back, all you could smell was something burning, she drove all around town with the parking break on. My grandfather passed the written test and he can't even move his head to the left to check his blind spot. Good work though MTO, you made $200 off of them, here's hoping they don't blow into someone.
With the amount of people Toronto has, I can only assume drive test locations are backed right the **** up, and they have managers screaming at them to get people through as quick as possible considering it's all about money, it's ALWAYS about the money. Therefore, you got people on the road with the equivalent of a fishing license attempting to teach themselves how to drive on the 401. I ****ing hate going to Toronto, soon as you pass Simcoe in Oshawa it's like you just hit entered into a version of Need For Speed : Drunk and Stupid, Toronto Edition. You gotta be on 100% full alert of everything, every ******* and his dog are cutting you off, texting, chatting on the phone or tail gating you just so they can get home 4 mins earlier to watch a commercial.
With the amount of people Toronto has, I can only assume drive test locations are backed right the **** up, and they have managers screaming at them to get people through as quick as possible considering it's all about money, it's ALWAYS about the money. Therefore, you got people on the road with the equivalent of a fishing license attempting to teach themselves how to drive on the 401. I ****ing hate going to Toronto, soon as you pass Simcoe in Oshawa it's like you just hit entered into a version of Need For Speed : Drunk and Stupid, Toronto Edition. You gotta be on 100% full alert of everything, every ******* and his dog are cutting you off, texting, chatting on the phone or tail gating you just so they can get home 4 mins earlier to watch a commercial.
joeboo
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I salute your humble view.
