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Why aren't radar detectors legal in Ontario?

Scuba Steve

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Detection is illegal, making yourself more stealth to radar is still ok.
If that was possible it would be a option but it is not possible with a license plate and headlights.

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Trials

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If that was possible it would be a option but it is not possible with a license plate and headlights.
;) How does the glass window on your microwave oven work?

... never mind, that probably reflects more signal then it traps.
See what we really need is something that sends so much signal back to the gun that it fries.
 
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GreyGhost

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;) How does the glass window on your microwave oven work?

... never mind, that probably reflects more signal then it traps.
See what we really need is something that sends so much signal back to the gun that it fries.
There is the equivalent for lidar. It senses the initial pulse and blasts back light at the same wavelength to blind the laser. Cop knows something is up though as gun gets grumpy. You need to slow down and turn it off so they can clock you to keep them from pulling you over for a chat.
 

hedo2002

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i didn't say the justification for the regulations would make sense... lol Only the prevailing wisdom of the bureaucrats, at the time, the regulations were put into force. IIRC it was approx 1980/81. As I recall seizing a few of the devices...

Thank you for the quick reply, Hedo2002. People already speed. They already slow down, when they see police. Not too sure how this would be any different, except maybe making it harder for police to ticket.

I can only imagine the penalties for being found in possession of one of these, in Ontario ...
 

hedo2002

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I used to just leave my radar off until, I seen a vehicle to be targeted... and that was back in the 80's, but most other officers just left theirs on. There was NEVER a shortage of offenders...lmao

Of course I never had a quota to fill back then... um I mean "performance standards"...

Lots of people run the Escort Redline or Beltronics STi in Ontario because they are 100% undetectable. The newer models I'm told lock out the false radar alerts. They also detect laser, but that doesn't do any good because if they detect it you're already caught. You can get a Blinder laser jammer, which is quite effective but you have to slow down quickly and turn it off or the cops will know they are being jammed.

The real problem with radar detectors is that OPP are using instant-on radar these days. That means, unlike in the good old days, that the radar is only on for a couple of seconds to speedcheck on vehicle at a time. OPP drive along, spot a speeding car and shoot radar at it. Detector may go off, but it's only telling you that you just got a ticket. So, basically unless the cop is shooting a lot down the road the detector is useless.
 

Roadghost

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I used to just leave my radar off until, I seen a vehicle to be targeted... and that was back in the 80's, but most other officers just left theirs on. There was NEVER a shortage of offenders...lmao

Of course I never had a quota to fill back then... um I mean "performance standards"...
You know, I can't believe these people on the road coming into work. I keep thinking their driving record must be terrible. Those guys in their pickup trucks fly down the road fearlessly. Not a worry in the world. I see OPP, but they always have a customer. I sometimes think photo-radar/lidar is needed, but last time they did that the public started screaming. So I'm resigned to believe that the general public only wants limited law enforcement, just enough to keep people to a tolerable level of civility. I mean, we could stop all this texting, speeding, drinking stuff in a couple of months, but nobody really wants that.
 

hedo2002

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It isn't so much, more enforcement, (there simply aren't enough officer's to stop the majority of offenders). It isn't that people aren't worried about being caught, they just realize that it is a numbers game. They can speed everyday, all day for 30 years and likely not get pulled over.

The politicians, also don't want the backlash were they to hire, say 5,000 extra officers, (province wide), there still wouldn't be enough officers, but it would help.

Another issue is how strong the police unions have become. There is NO reason we need to pay a first class constable, (Approx $100,000, province wide average), to write traffic tickets. Instead, hire special constables, (same as they use at TTC, and Toronto housing, Universities etc), to do traffic enforcement, and ONLY traffic enforcement. A $40,000 a year officer should be able to recover his annual salary within a month.

BUT, if politicians did that, people would ***** as they do today, how "lazy stupid cops" set up speed traps, to "bust people", ironically the same people who complain when they get a ticket...lol. The backlash from the public would be too great for your average politician to have to deal with.

You know, I can't believe these people on the road coming into work. I keep thinking their driving record must be terrible. Those guys in their pickup trucks fly down the road fearlessly. Not a worry in the world. I see OPP, but they always have a customer. I sometimes think photo-radar/lidar is needed, but last time they did that the public started screaming. So I'm resigned to believe that the general public only wants limited law enforcement, just enough to keep people to a tolerable level of civility. I mean, we could stop all this texting, speeding, drinking stuff in a couple of months, but nobody really wants that.
 

ungoloth

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Why aren't they legal? The government is broke, always have been. It's all about revenue. How can they generate revenue if everyone has a radar detector?
I have struggled with this for years. I researched devices and contemplated how to effectively mount and use one on my bike. The problem is they are just too big to hide. The motorcycle version(s) are small but perform poorly. I believe you can keep it on our person (under your jacket?) as the cops need a warrant to search you. How to operate it whilst under your jacket? A cop friend once told me to place it in an envelope with a stamp and fully addressed...it's now federal property and cops don't have that jurisdiction. How to operate it in an envelope? Someone suggested to also get a cheap disposable unit and give that one up if you get caught (so you can keep your expensive uniden r1 or r3). Keep in mind that the cops can seize your vehicle and tear it down to nuts and bolts just because their in a bad mood. It's not worth the hassle, if you need to speed just be smart about it whist not pissing anyone off. Happy Apexes.
 

hedo2002

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There are just sooooo many bits of in correct information in this post it is astounding, you could fit it all in...lol

Why aren't they legal? The government is broke, always have been. It's all about revenue. How can they generate revenue if everyone has a radar detector?
I have struggled with this for years. I researched devices and contemplated how to effectively mount and use one on my bike. The problem is they are just too big to hide. The motorcycle version(s) are small but perform poorly. I believe you can keep it on our person (under your jacket?) as the cops need a warrant to search you. How to operate it whilst under your jacket? A cop friend once told me to place it in an envelope with a stamp and fully addressed...it's now federal property and cops don't have that jurisdiction. How to operate it in an envelope? Someone suggested to also get a cheap disposable unit and give that one up if you get caught (so you can keep your expensive uniden r1 or r3). Keep in mind that the cops can seize your vehicle and tear it down to nuts and bolts just because their in a bad mood. It's not worth the hassle, if you need to speed just be smart about it whist not pissing anyone off. Happy Apexes.
 

PrivatePilot

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I know I'm apparently in the minority here, but personally, I avoid speeding tickets by....not driving like I deserve one.

Drive/ride no more than 10 over on secondary roads and 20 over on the 400 series and you've got absolutely nothing whatsoever to worry about.
 

Trials

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Most of you guys are lucky I'm not a cop because I would be all over the tailgaters :evil4:
 

Allistonfjr

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There are just sooooo many bits of in correct information in this post it is astounding, you could fit it all in...lol
I know someone who placed the detector in his jacket pocket while wearing it. Cop asked for the jacket before taking his work van apart cause he knew he had one. Buddy said no way its cold outside. Cop was ****** but could do nothing. Never found the detector just the power cord for it. Gave him a ticket, cop didn't show up in court because he knew he had zero evidence. Ticket tossed.
 

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I know I'm apparently in the minority here, but personally, I avoid speeding tickets by....not driving like I deserve one.

Drive/ride no more than 10 over on secondary roads and 20 over on the 400 series and you've got absolutely nothing whatsoever to worry about.
This!
 

Allistonfjr

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I know I'm apparently in the minority here, but personally, I avoid speeding tickets by....not driving like I deserve one.

Drive/ride no more than 10 over on secondary roads and 20 over on the 400 series and you've got absolutely nothing whatsoever to worry about.
Agreed. Only change I'd make is 15 over not 10. I've passed many radars set up at the side of the road and they don't bother. They can wait a few min and get someone going 20+ over.

Of coarse saying this out loud is the kiss of death! I'm probably going to get nailed this week!
 
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Baggsy

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I've been in a car going 30 over, that's passed a cop, and not gotten pulled over, in one that wasn't speeding but was pulled over and ticketed for 5 over,
and even in one that was in the middle of a tailgating group that was the only one pulled over and ticketed.

I've also been followed by an unmarked car "wingman style" - i.e. sitting in my blind spot, on the 401 on on New Year's Eve.
I suppose he thought I was drunk, I don't know. I'd slow down, he'd slow down, I'd come up on another vehicle, way below the speed limit, and speed up pass and slow back down, and he'd be right back there.
We went right across the city before he pulled me over. The tickets were later cancelled without my doing anything - the word was that he was out of his jurisdiction.

Anyways, what's worked for me is to take my foot off of the gas, if I'm over the limit, and keep an eye on my speed. There aren't anywhere near enough police out there for it to be any kind of a cash grab, it's more likely that the politicians are playing lip service to those against speeding. They also tend to be in collision/pedestrian/children dense areas, so it's best to not speed there. If I ever do get a ticket, then I make way sure that I follow the rules for a couple of years, until it's gone. The easiest way I've found to attract a ticket is to already have many on your record.

The police are supposed to be trying to get the bad drivers off of the road, tickets and accidents are the albeit imperfect, way they use to try and filter people out, so don't get tickets or in accidents.

Radar detectors don't seem worth the money.
 

JavaFan

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had my bike looked over for a detector very thoroughly a few years ago
traveling down #11 in a 90 zone
following a cage about 500 meters ahead, both of us going 120

approaching a curve with a line of slower vehicles ahead
last one in the pack was dark SUV, roof had extra stuff on it

I rolled off and let the cage sail into the radar heat
cop had at this point pulled to the shoulder and let the car pass
he didn't pull out and light the car up like I expected
waited until I had passed the cruiser, then LE pulled out and passed me

strange behaviour.....he followed the cage for several km, then lit him up
parked the cruiser in the middle of the road and waived me in too

this is when I got a lesson that radar can track and lock 2 bogies
after he finished with the cage
he spent a lot of time checking my bike for a detector
based on my quick roll off and decel, he figured I had one
 

kiwi

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I've been in a car going 30 over, that's passed a cop, and not gotten pulled over, in one that wasn't speeding but was pulled over and ticketed for 5 over,
and even in one that was in the middle of a tailgating group that was the only one pulled over and ticketed.

I've also been followed by an unmarked car "wingman style" - i.e. sitting in my blind spot, on the 401 on on New Year's Eve.
I suppose he thought I was drunk, I don't know. I'd slow down, he'd slow down, I'd come up on another vehicle, way below the speed limit, and speed up pass and slow back down, and he'd be right back there.
We went right across the city before he pulled me over. The tickets were later cancelled without my doing anything - the word was that he was out of his jurisdiction.

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hmmm... the "jurisdiction" thing again.. I don't know.. take a look at this.. https://www.xcopper.com/blog/2014/01/ontario-driving-myths/

I have always understood it to mean something like this

"Certain offences are typically divided up and handled by these different levels/categories of police based on location, type of offense and seriousness of the situation. However, in Ontario you can receive a traffic ticket from your local city/town police, the OPP, or the RCMP anywhere in the province if they are the police officer that witnessed you breaking the law. For example, if you are pulled over for speeding within the City of Toronto, an RCMP or OPP officer can issue you a ticket and it is just as legal as if it were issued by an officer of the Toronto Police Service. Another example may be a Toronto Police officer pulling someone over for speeding in Ottawa. As it stands, a Toronto Police officer has full power to exercise the law should they see someone violating traffic ordinances throughout Ontario."

TV Shows like the "Dukes of Hazard" and other US Movies may have had the effect that there is a "Jurisdiction". Perhaps in your case the cop couldnt be arsed filing the ticket or something along those lines
 

hedo2002

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100% correct. The ONLY place in Ontario, that has a Jurisdictional issue are FEDERAL lands. In that case the only FEDERAL peace Officers can issue violations IE RCMP, Border Services, or Military police. Yes, that is correct a Military Police Officer MAY, issue you as a civilian a ticket or arrest you, in ANY part of Ontario, they wish, However, when I was in, We USUALLY only stopped suspected impaired driver's, once it was determined they were impaired, we normally contacted the locals to deal with, unless they were too busy in which case we transported them, and we filed the arrest report, and if required followed up in court.

hmmm... the "jurisdiction" thing again.. I don't know.. take a look at this.. https://www.xcopper.com/blog/2014/01/ontario-driving-myths/

I have always understood it to mean something like this

"Certain offences are typically divided up and handled by these different levels/categories of police based on location, type of offense and seriousness of the situation. However, in Ontario you can receive a traffic ticket from your local city/town police, the OPP, or the RCMP anywhere in the province if they are the police officer that witnessed you breaking the law. For example, if you are pulled over for speeding within the City of Toronto, an RCMP or OPP officer can issue you a ticket and it is just as legal as if it were issued by an officer of the Toronto Police Service. Another example may be a Toronto Police officer pulling someone over for speeding in Ottawa. As it stands, a Toronto Police officer has full power to exercise the law should they see someone violating traffic ordinances throughout Ontario."

TV Shows like the "Dukes of Hazard" and other US Movies may have had the effect that there is a "Jurisdiction". Perhaps in your case the cop couldnt be arsed filing the ticket or something along those lines
 

Rob MacLennan

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They are illegal for one simple reason; they assist in the circumvention of the Highway Traffic Act.

When I was working my way through college at the airport, I witnessed an OPP officer follow a car into Terminal 1 parking (note that this was when RCMP had the contract), block the car into a parking spot, then proceed to tear out a rather well installed RADAR detection rig from front to back, and then dispose of it.
 

Allistonfjr

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They are illegal for one simple reason; they assist in the circumvention of the Highway Traffic Act.
They are illegal because no one has takin the law to court. From what I understand it wouldn’t stand up.
Don’t ask me to explain. When I owned one about 8 years ago I did a lot of research at that time.
 

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