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VW Warranty nightmare!

Mad Mike

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My daughter drives a 2011 VW Jetta, the car is in immaculate condition with about 100,000km. VW offers a 12 year corrosion warranty however it's seems impossible to get a dealer to look at it. PFAFF service told me they are booking inspections for May next year and the repair would take more than a year to complete. Similar responses from Thornhill, Richmond Hill, and Greenbelt (Markham).

I contacted VW Canada, they claim it's up to dealers to deliver warranty service, they claim their hands are tied.

The car has a fist sized hole in the passenger side subframe rail. 2 dealers and VW approved corrosion repair shop have looked at the car, they claim VW onluy allows 2 corrosion inspections per week per dealer.

Anyone been thru this process or work for VW? I'm not looking for short cuts, I want to sell the car and it's not going to pass a safety with a giant hole in the floor!
 
rotten situation
litigation might be the only course
with a company that has proven to be dishonourable
 
Ugly. I never have any luck with Pfaff. I find the richmond hill and Barrie staff to be much more amenable. I like Owasco sales, I've never tried their service department.

I haven't seen a recent vw rust through. How much does someone want to toss a patch on? It may just be easier to pay for it and post the receipt and story on social media. At that point, they may cut you a check to make the bad publicity go away.
 
I'm starting to unwind this a bit. It appears VW has a orchestrated effort to slow roll claims. Apparently a large number of claims are abandoned as owners don't want to wait a rear to trade-in or sell the cars -- VW seems to be leveraging that to reduce warranty costs.

Here's what they do:

1) Make it tough for dealers -- dealers don't want to do these claims. If you call most dealers about a corrosion claim, you will get "hold on, I'll get you to our corrosion specialist", then you get voice mail and no return call. If you persist, they will employ tactics to keep you from starting a claim with them. The most common thing they say is VW Canada inspections are booked out 6 months, followed by claims processing and repair backlog that could take a 8 months to a more than a year to complete. VW Canada denied they were the problem, that said dealers can submit claims anytime on their own. Town and Country, Pfaff, Richmond Hill and Thornhill all used this tactic.

2) VW Canada takes 2 weeks to 4 months to evaluate claims. Their first response is often 'environmental damage' or failure of the owner to bring the vehicle in for corrosion repair in a timely manner. They will deny or try a shared cost offer.

I did find a dealer that said "come on in! no appointment, the claim will be submitted same day." The car is going in Monday, I'll post followups on this.

I also spoke with the APA, they confirmed VW is playing games, in fact they offer tips on how to deal with VW on their website.

This is my last VW/Audi product. I've owned 2 Beetles, a Rabbit, Golf, Quattro, A4, Turbo Beetle, and a Jetta.

----- From the APA Automobile Protection Association | Recalls & Tech Tips - Template
How to make the VW-Audi corrosion warranty work for you

Volkswagen and Audi offer an industry-leading corrosion warranty of 12 years; in 2018 VW dropped its coverage to seven years, which is still longer than average. (Audi remains at 12 years)

However VW and Audi make it very difficult to collect on rust claims for vehicles over seven years old. Owners report that after dealers reject the initial claim, they can get sucked into a Volkswagen vortex. The claim must be documented. Then an appointment booked at the dealership to coincide with the visit of a VW or Audi representative which could take weeks or a couple of months. That person will examine the panels on the vehicle individually and will likely reject outright repairs to some panels for a variety of reasons, and propose to share the cost of repairing some others with the consumer. It may take a few weeks after the visit for an offer. If you accept the offer, an appointment made with the VW or Audi approved repair facility can be months away. The entire process from start to finish can take more than a year. In some cases reported to the APA, the vehicle owner had sold their vehicle in the interim.

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APA tips:

  1. Inspect your Jetta or Golf periodically; vulnerable areas include the wheel surrounds, lower body panels, the corners of the windshield and the trunk in the area of the license plate.
  2. Document the problem. Take photos and write VW Canada and your dealer so that you are on record. Some claims are rejected because the company claims the owner acted too slowly. VW rejects claims for rusting around the windshield if it has ever been replaced, blaming the damage on the installer, whether they caused any or not.
  3. See an independent body shop for an appraisal. An impartial second opinion can help you determine whether the rust is indeed coming from inside the body. You'll also have an estimate of the value of the repairs -- that's important if VW asks you to pay for some of the repair costs, as it will help determine if their estimate is reasonable or inflated.
  4. If you want to fix the car and VW or Audi won't pay, consider Small Claims Court. The APA suggests you have the repairs documented (photos again) and completed before the date of your hearing. That way you'll be claiming for a paid-up invoice and can count on a written report or the testimony of an expert who worked on the vehicle. Write VW or Audi and your dealer to put them on notice before authorizing the work.
  5. Be prepared for some intimidating phone calls before the Court date. One consumer reported that was told he had no case on a first call, and the company was prepared to let him drop the claim without costs as a courtesy. He refused. On the second call he received a partial offer, which he refused. On the third, an almost complete offer, which he accepted.
 
Ugly. I never have any luck with Pfaff. I find the richmond hill and Barrie staff to be much more amenable. I like Owasco sales, I've never tried their service department.

I haven't seen a recent vw rust through. How much does someone want to toss a patch on? It may just be easier to pay for it and post the receipt and story on social media. At that point, they may cut you a check to make the bad publicity go away.
Patch -- not a warranty approved body repair. The warranty runs to 2024, body repairs unauthorized by VW cancels the remaining warranty. The VW bodyshop that looked at it to make sure it was 'safe' said they would remove the frame rail entirely. He didn't do a quote but guessed about $4K in labor.
 
**** VAG. They have a long list of not owning up to many issues. 1L of oil burned every 1000km is considered acceptable. **** off.I would never buy a new VAG.
 
**** VAG. They have a long list of not owning up to many issues. 1L of oil burned every 1000km is considered acceptable. **** off.I would never buy a new VAG.
Good plan. The repair bill when the pano roof leaks (and it seems more like a matter of when than if) is over 8k (I think closer to 12k). Cleaning the drains is not required in any official literature, but if you cant prove you have done it regularly, vw sticks you with the bill. Talk about angry people. One dealer has two alltracks sitting in the lot with pano leaks. Owners heard the repair cost and abandoned the cars while they fight with vw. Leak takes out computers under the seats so the cars arent drivable until repaired.
 
Just read on CBC, that a NS Jetta owner won his "corrosion" court case.

"four wheels good, two wheels better"
 
Good plan. The repair bill when the pano roof leaks (and it seems more like a matter of when than if) is over 8k (I think closer to 12k). Cleaning the drains is not required in any official literature, but if you cant prove you have done it regularly, vw sticks you with the bill. Talk about angry people. One dealer has two alltracks sitting in the lot with pano leaks. Owners heard the repair cost and abandoned the cars while they fight with vw. Leak takes out computers under the seats so the cars arent drivable until repaired.
I had the same problem with my Jeep Commander, the drains freeze then plaque up, then the drain pipes crack from freezing. Takes out the the computer in the door post and if left too long rusts out the floor pans. It did work in my favor, I traded an old 2 stroke motor for a nice low mileage Commander that needed a computer -- the owner was quoted $4500 at the dealership, I pulled the modules, cleaned up the drains and a few corroded connections to and it's been fine for 200K.

A work buddy had the same happen to a '14 MB E350, cost him 10K out of warranty.
 
**** VAG. They have a long list of not owning up to many issues. 1L of oil burned every 1000km is considered acceptable. **** off.I would never buy a new VAG.
They aren't the only maker to state this as normal.
 
My friend has a touareg. The battery is in a large compartment under the drivers seat. Last time we looked in there it was packed full of dried road salt.

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They aren't the only maker to state this as normal.
Yeah, this seems to be industry standard. "If we all say this is normal, we can all reduce our costs". I still think that service intervals should be set assuming people dont open the hood between as that is the reality for most people. If they had to drop 15,000 km intervals down to 3,000, they would do something to fix the problem.
 
Yeah, this seems to be industry standard. "If we all say this is normal, we can all reduce our costs". I still think that service intervals should be set assuming people dont open the hood between as that is the reality for most people. If they had to drop 15,000 km intervals down to 3,000, they would do something to fix the problem.
Hyundai (and Kia) Canada consider Canadian climate to be an 'extreme service' operating environment, dealers across the country are telling customers they will compromise their warranty coverage if they do not adhere to the extreme service schedule.

Hyundai is part of a class action suit right now. Service Intervals Blamed in a New Class-action Lawsuit
 
My Tacoma has a frame replacement warranty submitted in the summer by the dealer I’m still waiting the rep said it could take about a year. There’s another truck recalled from last year and they haven’t done it. Toyota Canada definitely not in the rush to cough up 10k repair per truck. I don’t know what’s their term of settlement from the court but I can’t imagine they have more than 2 years to complete the recall
 
My Tacoma has a frame replacement warranty submitted in the summer by the dealer I’m still waiting the rep said it could take about a year. There’s another truck recalled from last year and they haven’t done it. Toyota Canada definitely not in the rush to cough up 10k repair per truck. I don’t know what’s their term of settlement from the court but I can’t imagine they have more than 2 years to complete the recall
By stalling, they hope you crash, give up or otherwise dispose of the vehicle. Nothing but benefits for them.
 
Nothing I can do right now the court probably gave them a year or two to complete their recall in Canada for the year of trucks. Until something bad happen they’re still within the law
 
Finally a warranty claim approval from VW! This was an 18 month process.

After starting a corrosion warranty claim with VW in Nov 2019, the process is coming to an end. The initial inspection at the dealer in Dec 2019 resulted in booking a 'corrosion inspection' with VW that was scheduled for Apr 2020. That was cancelled as the dealer claimed they were no longer doing claims VW finally approved the claim in full today (I suspect they never really scheduled it). We went to several dealers in Apr 2020, all were same - book an appointment for an inspection in 6 mos. Finally a service manager at a local VW store sent us to an approved warranty center in Markham. The inspected on the spot and submitted to VW. That was in July 2020. My daughter got the letter today approving the
replacement of the right side rocker & front fender on her Jetta. The contract body shop booked the car in for this Friday, they already have the parts and plan to have the car back to her in 3-4 days.

There was no fight, just a ton of running around and a very long delay. Dealers were not interested in handling the claim, and VW certainly knows how to slow roll things.
 
Dealers were not interested in handling the claim, and VW certainly knows how to slow roll things.

VW makes this process as difficult for the dealers as possible which is why there is no interest. Corporate takes an average of 6-8 weeks to approve/deny claims after submission. Dealer only makes $50-60 for processing the claim, plus whatever warranty markup is on the parts. VW's pay rate for body repairs is minimal so there's barely any money in it for the bodyshop as well.

After all that, they inherit any headaches if there are any issues with the repair.
 
Legit question - why do people buy VWs? Everything I've heard about the ownership experience has been consistently terrible for at least the last two decades
 

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