TMP - Aug 3,4,5
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636ninjadude
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for sure. I need to fix it.
+1 on all of this. I made some of these exact same changes yesterday and benefited. I worked on figuring out where I could remove a shift or two - I ended up entering 1 a gear higher, and carrying that gear all the way to the braking zone for 2, then only dropping one gear for 2, so I was also a gear higher all the way to the braking zone for 6. It was a bit chuggy at first through 4, but that went away once I started carrying more speed out of 3. Not giving a prescription here - I am on a twin with all the torque in the low end, so YMMV. Just making the point that even though I sacrificed a bit of the initial drive out of some corners, it was worth it to avoid the extra shifting, and encouraged me to carry more corner speed.
Corsara, your lines look way better, you are hitting the apex in 12 now, and you seem to be coasting a lot less - I see you rolling off and then going straight to the brakes. I think omnivore is right that you can carry more speed into 2 - it is amazing how little braking that corner requires, so long as you turn in a bit early and let your momentum carry you way out to the left by those outside turtles before scrubbing the speed off by turning into 3.
I can't get away Thursday, so I am living vicariously through you for the rest of the week - go do a 1:23 for me!
636ninjadude
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learn to be comfortable more down low like you say. If I move back up on the seat and force my upper in a lower more bent position it will help right? hmm I want to do it right.
I don't think there has ever been a new track rider who saw pictures of him/herself and didn't say this exact same thing.
On my 600 I was in 5th down to 2nd for corner two and heavy on the brakes, the amount of speed a 1000 gets from corner 1-2 you need to brake hard or you'll be in the weeds. This doesn't mean you don't carry corner speed through there but there's no way you can carry the speed from that straight.
636ninjadude
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yeah hahaha. No excuses though I need to improve a lot, i'm terrible. It is fun being out there but It's more fun improving out there for sure. I will go Thursday and work hard on it.
Yes I guess I overstated it and for sure you need to brake fairly hard for that corner (especially on a 1000), but I think the general tendency for intermediate riders is to over brake there when in fact you can carry a pile of speed past the apex of 2. It takes a while to get your head around it (or at least it did for me).
636, you probably corner like that on the street too. For me, it helped a lot to think about "committing" my upper body to the corner. That means getting your head well to the inside of the imaginary line that runs up through the steering stem every time you make a turn. You can practice this on the street. You will end up leaning less which may not feel racey, but when you are on the track and can go as fast as you like (and therefore use lots more lean angle), it will benefit you to be in the habit of always getting your body weight to the inside of the turn.
...holy crap I am posting a lot on this thread. What a blabbermouth. Sorry, I am always a bit wired after a track day.
636ninjadude
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Thanks. I will try it out today. Appreciate any advice or help I can get. On the last turn before entering the pit straight, is it beneficial to go a little outwards to the beginning of the black tire marks or closest to the inside of the corner(towards the cone. I seen two different ways to do it and tried both but I can't really tell which is best?
For me at least I started to brake early and accelerate/neutral throttle towards the apex, trail brake just before the apex and gas through/out of the corner. I think that kinda makes sense and I'm pretty sure that's how I did it. There's also a spot about 2ft off the curbing on the inside of 2 where there's no bump in the seam, hit that spot and it makes those corners a heck of a lot easier to do as one big corner.
triggerhappy
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If i knew this was a fellow GTAM'er would have come over after your sessions. You were getting around the track pretty well and at a good pace, but there were a couple times I was watching you and at the speed you were going through the last corner onto the straight I was cringing because you were maxed out of tire with that body position - the last thing I wanted to see was that spanking new bike slide into the wall! Be sure to ask for tips from any of the quicker guys before you go out next, you wouldn't want to mess up that brand new bike! Cheers.
All these pointers are great! I have body positioning issues (one of the main reasons for my oopsie)
I wish I had my bike ready to go so I could at least practice what YellowDuck posted with my street riding, get my body and head on the inside and become more accustomed to the feeling.
I was apparently leaning the bike well enough (scraping hard parts) but my upper body was too stiff and I wasn't moving my butt off the seat (which could of saved the scraping of hard parts)
Prior to the oopsie, I felt I had smoothed out a section of turns where to me felt like I had a good 'rhythm' to them (exit of turn 3 and into turns 4 & 5) and I felt good
Also I have got to work on my speed (I'm a slow poke), but I wanted to learn the turns and practice being smooth more than anything, especially with my bike being a twin.
I need a lot of practice and have a lot of learning to do.
I wish I had my bike ready to go so I could at least practice what YellowDuck posted with my street riding, get my body and head on the inside and become more accustomed to the feeling.
I was apparently leaning the bike well enough (scraping hard parts) but my upper body was too stiff and I wasn't moving my butt off the seat (which could of saved the scraping of hard parts)
Prior to the oopsie, I felt I had smoothed out a section of turns where to me felt like I had a good 'rhythm' to them (exit of turn 3 and into turns 4 & 5) and I felt good
Also I have got to work on my speed (I'm a slow poke), but I wanted to learn the turns and practice being smooth more than anything, especially with my bike being a twin.
I need a lot of practice and have a lot of learning to do.
ATTS
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Sunday was great weather and got to meet a few new GTAMers. Hopefully the guy from the dragstip is doing ok, never a good site to see somebody have to be airlifted from a track.
New person hooked on track.
If anyone has any more pics of me ^^^ please shoot them my way or post up, thanks. Also if anyone saw me out there and has any pointers I am all ears.
I saw you pushing the bike over to the marshal but couldn't figure out what happened. At least it was near the end of the day.
Thanks!
I'm wanting to do another one, have lots to learn.
New person hooked on track.
Pictures from sunday green group
If anyone has any more pics of me ^^^ please shoot them my way or post up, thanks. Also if anyone saw me out there and has any pointers I am all ears.
636ninjadude
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yeah felt pretty leaned over at some points that's for sure, probably traction ccontrol saving me sometimes most likely, but yeah next time if I see your bike out there i'll look for you and come over to say hi and get advice hahaha. this Thursday will be the last time I use the 636 on the track. Aiming for the 24th to have my track specific bike ready, if not i'll wait till its safe to go so I don't have to use my mode of transport(I don't own a car hahaha). Cheers. The 7r will be a lot less forgiving to my laziness I imagine.
Me too...lol I was the one with a leopard duct tape x on my back....
I had a great time even though I was slow and went into the grass a couple times
My brother and I went on Monday, it was a great day nice and warm not to hot it was fun. He was on a 2000 cbr929 and I was on a 2005 cbr600rr. It was fun, I forgot how many corners Cayuga had. I wasn’t used to it, I mostly go to Shannonville, but I think im going to start going to Cayuga a little bit more.
Thanks! Ok, then, I can't leave your spirit hanging, so I'll do my best to deliver a 1:23 for ya
What did the trick for me to form the habit at the beginning was to consciously move a cheek off the bike, and force my head over and even further out from the handle grip, all the while looking inside the turn, and I really mean inside, like where there's not even road, like almost perpendicular to the bike. Also helps to kinda make your inside shoulder lead the way, if you know what I mean----think of it like your shoulder is the horse and you and your bike is the carriage, and you'll go where the shoulder pulls you towards. I'm not the best with words, but I hope this makes sense. Not necessarily right, but does it for me I guess. Oh, and another thing I notice myself doing is pushing the bike away from me, that is, like pushing it towards the outside of the turn away from me. Disclaimer: I'm also relatively new to the track, so whatever advice you get from more mature riders should probably take precedence!
I've ran off on Turn 2 more than all other turns combined
I agree 100%, you can practice ALL that on the street. That's what I did before I went for my first trackday, in fact I was so used to hang off and keep the bike as upright as possible on the street, that it probably looked really funny in slow intersections as that's the only way I would corner.
2crazy2stop
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I was right behind you when it happened, nice job keeping the bike up!
