Soccer/football thread 2022

World Cup opening match just played.

That was a bit of a damp squib. 3 red cards, 2 of them a bit debatable.

If this is how the officiating is going to be the Dutch mixed martial arts squad that moonlights as the national football team will be down to 5 men in every game.
 
A friend was at at the Canada game last night. Said it was as fun as any sporting event he's ever been to, despite the horror injury to Kone. They've put themselves in an excellent position to advance and looked a lot more fluid than they did against a big and organised Bosnia. Just need a draw against Switzerland to win the group, which would be huge as it gets them a home game in Vancouver and a 3rd place finisher rather than Czechia or South Korea in LA.

The biggest worry for me is that I don’t see how you beat a team like PSG easily. Arsenal showed you can smother them if you have practically no ambition to score a goal of your own. Bayern showed that you can get pretty close if you just attack them constantly. They are pretty much the perfect team in my book aside from one thing, physicality and that’s negated by the refereeing these days.
Add that any Premier League side is going to be a a massive disadvantage against PSG/Bayern/Madrid with a league that won't let them play open football and is hyper-competitive every week. I think the key will be them getting a tough draw and going out early.

My worry is Iraolo going to be just like a Graham Potter reincarnation? It's one thing to manager a small team like Brighton or Bournemouth, the to take over at highest level where everywhere move will be analayzed to the finest detail. Very similiar to the pressure with managing the Maple laughs.
The problem for Liverpool, and everyone else, is there are no Klopp's available. Only Luis Enrique has pedigree, and he sure as heck isn't leaving PSG for Liverpool anytime soon. Five of the 'big six' have new head coaches, and all have huge question marks next to their name. At least Iraola will have them running and intense. One of the things I found most unbearable about last season was how limp the team looked, how easily they could be bypassed. I have a feeling the beginning will be rough (Bournemouth didn't win with him for 9 games) but once they get their legs and figure out the system, they will at least be difficult to play against.

My bigger fear is he won't get the depth he needs with so much running. This management brain trust has proven to be perfectly happy to leave key positions incredibly thin, which has cost the club two or three terrible seasons recently. They 'hijacked' (gotta love transfer reporting language, along with 'swooped' and 'monitoring') a deal from Newcastle for Victor Munoz off of Osasuna (formerly Barcelona and Madrid) who is a young winger already on the Spanish national team.

I hope they don't mess around too long chasing Diomande for big money off of Leipzig and end up leaving the side short yet again. I think they still need two more forwards (three if the Gakpo sale rumours come true), one midfielder plus a replacement for whichever of Mac Allister or Jones they sell, a right back and an experienced centre back. That's a lot of business, especially if you bring in either Barcola or Diomande for over a hundred million. They especially need cover at CB. Big Virg can't play every minute of every game anymore. Running him into the ground is such a waste of his talent.

Sad news about Kevin Keegan, forgotten by most that he was a back to back Ballon d'or winner.
Very sad news, followed shortly by a similar announcement that King Kenny also has cancer.

Incidentally, there's a great documentary I watched on Kenny (called Kenny Dalglish, natch) on UK Amazon Prime made by Asif Kapadia (who did similar ones for Senna and Maradona). It's well worth figuring out how to watch. I've always considered Dalglish to be the greatest footballing sportsman in British history, mostly because nobody else has come even close to achieving what he has as a player, manager, and community spokesman. I've followed LFC long enough to know all the stories, but seeing the footage of him near single-handedly carrying the weight of the Hillsborough disaster on his shoulders for the entire city of Liverpool was simultaneously awe-inspiring and hearbreaking. His humility and care for those around him comes through in so many ways.
 
I'm not a soccer fan,but i watched yesterdays game.And i know 6-nil is very unusual.My question.Is Canada that good,or is Qatar that bad?
 
I'm not a soccer fan,but i watched yesterdays game.And i know 6-nil is very unusual.My question.Is Canada that good,or is Qatar that bad?
A little of both, plus a systems mismatch (Qatar doesn't have the big players like Bosnia that nullified Canada's attack), plus a relatively early red card that blew the game open for Canada, then a later ugly red that motivated Canada to really put the boots in. A very well drilled defensive side can make up for a missing man and still be very difficult to score against and a danger on the counter attack. Qatar is not that side, they looked totally lost with a man down.

Qatar drew Switzerland who eventually crushed Bosnia who drew Canada who crushed Qatar. International soccer is also a bit random, especially early in tournaments as teams settle into their systems. It's also not uncommon to see sides that struggle early but sneak through to the knockouts and then get better and better as the games go by.
 
A little of both, plus a systems mismatch (Qatar doesn't have the big players like Bosnia that nullified Canada's attack), plus a relatively early red card that blew the game open for Canada, then a later ugly red that motivated Canada to really put the boots in. A very well drilled defensive side can make up for a missing man and still be very difficult to score against and a danger on the counter attack. Qatar is not that side, they looked totally lost with a man down.

Qatar drew Switzerland who eventually crushed Bosnia who drew Canada who crushed Qatar. International soccer is also a bit random, especially early in tournaments as teams settle into their systems. It's also not uncommon to see sides that struggle early but sneak through to the knockouts and then get better and better as the games go by.
Thanks.Very helpful.
 
When more of the big boys start getting matched up we will know more. The minnow team matches are entertaining at times though. Uzbekistan was fun to watch.

I’m sad the Aussies didn’t beat the US today but they did at least give them a mauling at times. There were some personal grudge matches going on.

France look imperious as do Argentina. I wonder if the group setting allows that as a final again. We may have a take 2.

Colombia with Diaz looked excellent as well.
 
How are you watching matches? TIA

Lots of different ways. The Loop add on for Kodi works most of the time. A VPN and then either BBC or ITV but for Canada TSN is more reliable. I would guess though that for you many of those will buffer badly so you’re much better looking at New Zealand or Oz streams likely through your national broadcaster or Sky Sports.
 
“Hydration breaks” yeah right. Totally not ad breaks at all.

They’ve turned the game into one of quarters.
I’m not a soccer enthusiast, so it’s no biggie for me.

Do the players get orange slices and juice boxes?

I heard defeated teams get participation ribbons this year too.
 
If anyone is up right now the Turkey-Paraguay match is quite entertaining.
Thought Turkiye would do better considering some of the young talent they have.

Netherlands looking imperious today (and Gakpo being another Liverpool player who looks very different in national colours). A German friend went to see his team play Cote d'Ivoire, and wasn't too happy until the subs broke it open. At least Diomande looked average, might help keep his price tag in check. Curacao did Cote d'Ivoire a huge favour against Ecuador, stealing a surprise point.

Not a lot super interesting for Sunday. Expect Spain to sh*t-kick Saudi Arabia after dropping points to Cape Verde, and curious if Belgium is actually as bad as they looked in the first game.
 
I’m not a soccer enthusiast, so it’s no biggie for me.

Do the players get orange slices and juice boxes?

I heard defeated teams get participation ribbons this year too.

I know soccer gets a bad rap for diving etc but generally it’s a great game to watch. There is a flow to the game that happens though and the “hydration breaks” totally wreck it. They are being widely jeered at the games.
 
I know soccer gets a bad rap for diving etc but generally it’s a great game to watch. There is a flow to the game that happens though and the “hydration breaks” totally wreck it. They are being widely jeered at the games.
I’ve spent enough time in Europe to understand why it’s called the “beautiful game.” Like most sports, the beauty isn’t always obvious if all you’re looking for is goals. You need to appreciate the tactics and strategy to see beyond the highlights.

Personally, I don’t see two three-minute hydration breaks as some existential threat to soccer. More of a culture shock for diehard fans. Hockey fans hated plenty of changes too. When the NHL old curved sticks, scrapped the two-line pass rule, changed icing, purists were convinced it would ruin the game. Most now agree it improved it.

As for the orange slice and juice box breaks, maybe they’re FIFA’s way of making the game more relatable to North Americans… or maybe they just noticed they added a few hundred million dollars to the value of broadcast rights. Who knows?

Either way, soccer survived the back pass rule, VAR, and goal-line technology. I suspect it’ll survive juice boxes too.
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