Should I get the 2015 Yamaha YZF-R3 or a Ninja 300 ABS?!

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So I've worked on two of the Ninja 300's. Its virtually a NINJA 250 under with some upgrades. The frames look the same, the way stuff is built looks the same. Yes it has ABS, FI, digital gauges etc, but is built the same as a 250.

Had one in with less than 1000kms, left fork weeping. Have one with 11,500kms, right fork is dripping - owner had my rebuild them with new seals.

Second bike was crashed, and might have been strapped down too tight, but first bike was MINT.
 
If you're like most people and see yourself getting something bigger in a few years, get used (ninja 250 or 300 or CBR 250)
 
Buy used.

ABS will save you if you ride in rain. Heck, it'll probably save you even if you don't. That said, it's not really the end of the world without it. Watch some comparison videos. ABS is a million times safer.

Ideally test ride whatever bikes you are debating between and pick the one you like the best.
 
Matthew.Tremayne said:
People have ridden motorcycles for a hundred years before ABS came along.
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And people rode ~75 years before helmet laws, also a bad idea?

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/brochures/motorcycle-abs-why-you-want-to-ride-with-it[h=2]Fewer deaths[/h]The rate of fatal crashes is 31 percent lower for motorcycles equipped with optional ABS than for those same models without ABS.
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, 2013
[h=2]Fewer crashes[/h]Collision insurance claims for motorcycles with ABS are filed 20 percent less frequently than for motorcycles without it — 31 percent when the ABS bikes have combined controls.
Highway Loss Data Institute, 2013
[h=2]Shorter stopping distances[/h]On the test track, both new and experienced riders stop more quickly with antilock brakes. Stopping distances improve on wet and dry surfaces alike.
Austrian Road Safety Board, 2004; National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2006


ABS is the reason why BMWs have lower insurance costs, because their bikes have had ABS for decades, much fewer claims.
 
Back to the OP...if you can handle the insurance, a 600 class sport tourer (ER6N, Ninja 650R, SFV650, CBR500R) used is much cheaper and will have twice the power and braking of these 300s.
 
CafeRay said:
And people rode ~75 years before helmet laws, also a bad idea?

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/brochures/motorcycle-abs-why-you-want-to-ride-with-itFewer deaths

The rate of fatal crashes is 31 percent lower for motorcycles equipped with optional ABS than for those same models without ABS.
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, 2013
Fewer crashes

Collision insurance claims for motorcycles with ABS are filed 20 percent less frequently than for motorcycles without it — 31 percent when the ABS bikes have combined controls.
Highway Loss Data Institute, 2013
Shorter stopping distances

On the test track, both new and experienced riders stop more quickly with antilock brakes. Stopping distances improve on wet and dry surfaces alike.
Austrian Road Safety Board, 2004; National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2006


ABS is the reason why BMWs have lower insurance costs, because their bikes have had ABS for decades, much fewer claims.
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Actually, ABS has a LONGER stopping distance.

Also, ABS does NOT affect insurance cost
 
thedudesrug1369 said:
Actually, ABS has a LONGER stopping distance.

Also, ABS does NOT affect insurance cost
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On dry pavement, yes. On wet it will be shorter and your front end won't flip out from under you in a panic braking situation. ABS is more useful on bikes than cars.

I wouldn't be surprised if it does, at least indirectly, due to fewer claim statistics for that model.
 
So I went to the first shop, and they told me that the Ninja 300 ABS SE would be around $7500, and since they are ripping me off 100% and I do not have that kind of money to spend on the bike, I went to a different shop, and ended up getting a brand new CB300FA for a total of $5534.74... I am pretty satisfied with my decision, and they said to contact them when I have my insurance figured out...
I am financially prepared for insurance so that is not a problem, but does anyone know if I have a certain amount of time to get the insurance figured out?
I know I could have gotten a used, but I felt more comfortable at my first bike being proper instead of getting it on kijiji and getting ripped off...
Any thoughts???
 
Yes... I would think to get insurance before purchasing it. Now the only time frame you have to worry about is how long the dealership will hold the bike before they start charging you for storage. :)

Congrats on your purchase, I'm sure you will love it.

Seej95 said:
So I went to the first shop, and they told me that the Ninja 300 ABS SE would be around $7500, and since they are ripping me off 100% and I do not have that kind of money to spend on the bike, I went to a different shop, and ended up getting a brand new CB300FA for a total of $5534.74... I am pretty satisfied with my decision, and they said to contact them when I have my insurance figured out...
I am financially prepared for insurance so that is not a problem, but does anyone know if I have a certain amount of time to get the insurance figured out?
I know I could have gotten a used, but I felt more comfortable at my first bike being proper instead of getting it on kijiji and getting ripped off...
Any thoughts???
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You can take as long as they'll hold onto it to get insurance. As for my thoughts: you're likely going to drop it and it's going to hurt your wallet a lot more than if you bought something used for half the price but it sounds like they gave you a better deal than the place selling the Ninja.
 
CafeRay said:
And people rode ~75 years before helmet laws, also a bad idea?

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/brochures/motorcycle-abs-why-you-want-to-ride-with-it[h=2]Fewer deaths[/h]The rate of fatal crashes is 31 percent lower for motorcycles equipped with optional ABS than for those same models without ABS.
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, 2013
[h=2]Fewer crashes[/h]Collision insurance claims for motorcycles with ABS are filed 20 percent less frequently than for motorcycles without it — 31 percent when the ABS bikes have combined controls.
Highway Loss Data Institute, 2013
[h=2]Shorter stopping distances[/h]WRONGOn the test track, both new and experienced riders stop more quickly with antilock brakes. Stopping distances improve on wet and dry surfaces alike.
Austrian Road Safety Board, 2004; National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2006


ABS is the reason why BMWs have lower insurance costs, because their bikes have had ABS for decades, much fewer claimsWRONG.
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Thanks for that Ray. Please, do us all a favor and spend more time learning how to ride, rather than posting on here. You never fail to amuse. I'm glad your search engine skills are optimal (your PhD has been put to good use), now continue to work on your cornering. Wait, your wife made a deal that you're only allowed limited time on your bikes... Or did you forget?

I never said ABS was bad, I stated that it isn't necessary. I've had quite a few emergency braking situations in my many miles ridden... Didn't need ABS. Double H pads and rider control seem to have done the job just fine.

Next time, post your information, make sure all of it is correct and do not attack me on an Internet forum because you're butt hurt over another spat we've had.

My apologies to the OP. It's all up to what you want in the end. ABS is great, but I believe learning how to stop with standard brakes, will make you more of a complete rider.. Plus, Yamaha's are the best! ;)
 
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Matthew.Tremayne said:
Thanks for that Ray. Please, do us all a favor and spend more time learning how to ride, rather than posting on here. You never fail to amuse. I'm glad your search engine skills are optimal (your PhD has been put to good use), now continue to work on your cornering. Wait, your wife made a deal that you're only allowed limited time on your bikes... Or did you forget?

I never said ABS was bad, I stated that it isn't necessary. I've had quite a few emergency braking situations in my many miles ridden... Didn't need ABS. Double H pads and rider control seem to have done the job just fine.

Next time, post your information, make sure all of it is correct and do not attack me on an Internet forum because you're butt hurt over another spat we've had.

My apologies to the OP. It's all up to what you want in the end. ABS is great, but I believe learning how to stop with standard brakes, will make you more of a complete rider.. Plus, Yamaha's are the best! ;)
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All drama aside, I have to agree. ABS is great, but it doesn't replace learning how to properly ride and I think you will be better for it. I won't have any ABS when I get my first bike, but it will make me extra cautious when I am on the road watching other drivers. You have to be smart when you ride. As for the rain, I just won't ride when its raining in the beginning. Just watch out for the weather.

If you think about ABS...its pretty similar to closing and opening the brakes...or in a car tapping the brakes. Just practice doing it and it will become muscle memory just like switching gears.
 
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