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Petition to open outdoor activities

Jayv

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Under what allowance out of curiosity?

That website says he got an email from "our licensing officer". Not sure who that is.

It's great and all that they're being smart about it (so far as the website even telling people to shop in their local area and not go in/out, smart) but I'm thinking they've taken liberties on their decision as per the letter of the law as it stands right now.

We've seen that there's basically no enforcement happening right now when it comes to individuals deciding to do their own thing on their own accord (IE, riding for leisure) but organized events, well, they attract heat...IE the golf course that opened up and fined, as did the people coming to play.

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The golfing restrictions make no sense to me.
 

Superveloce

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Under what allowance out of curiosity?

That website says he got an email from "our licensing officer". Not sure who that is.

It's great and all that they're being smart about it (so far as the website even telling people to shop in their local area and not go in/out, smart) but I'm thinking they've taken liberties on their decision as per the letter of the law as it stands right now.

We've seen that there's basically no enforcement happening right now when it comes to individuals deciding to do their own thing on their own accord (IE, riding for leisure) but organized events, well, they attract heat...IE the golf course that opened up and fined, as did the people coming to play.
Somebody ask this guy if the sky is blue and see how he answers
 

PrivatePilot

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The forest was never technically closed afaik…for hiking and such. Opening up to motorized activities May1’st is interesting though.

Still don’t think the organized public events like the motorcross stuff is entirely above board though, but meh, whatever. I just want to go camping. If they keep the campgrounds closed past the 20’th there’s gonna be a lot of cranky people out there considering how much were being told to all go outdoors.
 

Roadghost

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Yeah his know it allness knows no limits. ganaraska is open. Motocross tracks are open ...@privatepilot Claims he blocked me but I hope he see this and stops saying nonsense

I thought Ganaraska was closed? Not handing out memberships/passes. You're not allowed. Spread the word.
 

Superveloce

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I thought Ganaraska was closed? Not handing out memberships/passes. You're not allowed. Spread the word.
Ahhh I just see what you are doing...nice
 
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Brian P

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Riding in the Ganny isn't an "organized public event".

The situation is still bizarre.
 

Superveloce

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Riding in the Ganny isn't an "organized public event".

The situation is still bizarre.
Hopefully the wimps don’t complain and get it shut
 

PrivatePilot

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Riding in the Ganny isn't an "organized public event".

The situation is still bizarre.

I was referring to the Burnt River thing posted earlier, although I guess with their cancelled classes now they’re on the same page as the Ganny now with the exception of camping being allowed.

What continues to confuse me is how things like the Ganny and Burnt river is open for riding and such but there a travel ban except for “essential purposes”. How do those two things mesh somehow?

Bizzarre indeed.
 

ReSTored

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Good luck trying to get this government to listen or do anything reasonable, cogent or consistent.

There's no doubt that just about any outdoor activity is safe, as long as you stay away from people not in your social bubble.

We have the May long weekend coming up and the current lockdown period expires Thursday May 21. People, in particular restaurant owners, need advance notice of what's to be opened or closed so that they can properly prepare and not lose a ton of money ramping up just to have the lockdown extended at the last moment. The government claims to be very concerned about businesses, in particular small businesses, but you'd never know this by their knee jerk, inconsistent and poorly informed actions.

Whatever the government decides there will always be a small group of people who ignore the rules and common sense and gather to party or socialize, you can't fix stupid.
 

Jayv

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Good luck trying to get this government to listen or do anything reasonable, cogent or consistent.

There's no doubt that just about any outdoor activity is safe, as long as you stay away from people not in your social bubble.

We have the May long weekend coming up and the current lockdown period expires Thursday May 21. People, in particular restaurant owners, need advance notice of what's to be opened or closed so that they can properly prepare and not lose a ton of money ramping up just to have the lockdown extended at the last moment. The government claims to be very concerned about businesses, in particular small businesses, but you'd never know this by their knee jerk, inconsistent and poorly informed actions.

Whatever the government decides there will always be a small group of people who ignore the rules and common sense and gather to party or socialize, you can't fix stupid.


Simple, if the ICU #'s and ventilators go down, the lockdown will be eased. If they stay the same or increase nothing will change.
 

ReSTored

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Simple, if the ICU #'s and ventilators go down, the lockdown will be eased. If they stay the same or increase nothing will change.

Yes, the number of people in the hospital, in the ICU and on ventilators is critical. With variants being more transmissable we have more younger and initially healthy people who contract COVID. These people fight the disease longer and harder meaning their length of stay in the hospital, the ICU or on a ventilator is longer than an older compromised person who might simply die quicker than a younger person. The number of people in hospital lags the rate of positive cases by 2 - 3 weeks so we end up with yoyo lockdowns. If the lockdown is lifted too soon then you'll see rising positive cases again and then, a few weeks later, an increase in hospitalizations and then another lockdown.
 

PrivatePilot

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Yeah, the May long weekend is a big gamble at this point. I put the odds of the lockdown being extended just past it 50/50 at this point. But yeah, they can’t wait until the last second to announce it which bodes poorly for it happening - realistically we’ve got 2 weeks at this point. If they want to give at least 1 week notice…that leaves a week to see where the numbers go.

Theyre going in a good direction, but enough that they think reopening a bunch of stuff that involves people travelling all around the province will be a good idea? I have my doubts.
 

ReSTored

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It's already too late to save the long weekend, but you'll see PC MPP's lobbying to open up. God only knows what goes on in these 10 hour cabinet and causus meetings where they mull over how to ignore most of the science table recommendations and come out with locking down outside activities and ramping up a police state. Zero consultation with anyone, and then it all gets backtracked a day later.

The real ticket to quenching this is to flood hot spots with vaccines and ensure the people most at risk get vaccinated. The science table identified about 75 key postal codes and then the government added another 40 to the list, effectively diluting the concentratration of vaccine available to the hardest hit areas. Want to bet how many of those extra 40 postal codes are in PC MPP ridings?

This brain trust is the same group of people who are extending the Pickering nuclear plant license for another couple of years to protect its power output and related jobs. Lets just hope the plant eventually gets shut down without an accident that effectively wipes out 30% of the GTA. But, then again, Ford has such a great record picking out competant advisors, so I sure nothing could go wrong here (sarcasm).
 

PrivatePilot

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This brain trust is the same group of people who are extending the Pickering nuclear plant license for another couple of years

To be fair, there's big giant heads who are making those ultimate decisions. If the big brains at the top of OPG didn't think those reactors would be safe for those extra years....no amount of government persuasion in the world would see them just blindly agree to it.
 

Brian P

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I haven't lost all hope for the long weekend yet. It's 15 days to go in the stay-at-home order. We're at around 35% of total population vaccinated now. If they carry on at the rate that they're capable of, it ought to be near 50% by that time. The people getting vaccinated in the next couple of weeks won't have it fully kicked in yet, but most of them would have at least some effect from it. The sensible course of action would be to remove the travel restriction and allow all outdoor activities and keep indoor restrictions as-is for a few weeks after that ... but with this government, who knows.
 

PrivatePilot

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The sensible course of action would be to remove the travel restriction and allow all outdoor activities and keep indoor restrictions as-is for a few weeks after that

I agree, but the travel aspect is what may squash it.

Ever been to a Provincial Park like Sibbald Point or Darlington on any weekend of the year? They're both overwhelmed with people from Toronto.

Every provincial park in the province is jammed to capacity in the reservation system right now for the long weekend.

That sort of potential for unfettered travel from the hotspot areas (or the GTA as a whole) to non-hotspot areas in the midst of what will still likely be 1000-2000 infections a day is likely to strike fear into the advisory teams telling Ford what to do.

I guess it comes down to if he listens to them again, or not. Or if the advisory team thinks that's actually viable/safe and agrees with allowing those sorts of things while still restricting the inside stuff.

But nobody would want to be the guy that threw the doors open for travel again just before the long weekend...only to be staring down a 4th wave in another months time.

But I think it would be a welcome release for many to see all the outdoor stuff open up again even if they still can't eat in a restaurant, get their hair cut, or whatever else.

I keep my odds at 50/50 at this point.
 

Robbo

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I agree, but the travel aspect is what may squash it.

Ever been to a Provincial Park like Sibbald Point or Darlington on any weekend of the year? They're both overwhelmed with people from Toronto.

Every provincial park in the province is jammed to capacity in the reservation system right now for the long weekend.

That sort of potential for unfettered travel from the hotspot areas (or the GTA as a whole) to non-hotspot areas in the midst of what will still likely be 1000-2000 infections a day is likely to strike fear into the advisory teams telling Ford what to do.

I guess it comes down to if he listens to them again, or not. Or if the advisory team thinks that's actually viable/safe and agrees with allowing those sorts of things while still restricting the inside stuff.

But nobody would want to be the guy that threw the doors open for travel again just before the long weekend...only to be staring down a 4th wave in another months time.

But I think it would be a welcome release for many to see all the outdoor stuff open up again even if they still can't eat in a restaurant, get their hair cut, or whatever else.

I keep my odds at 50/50 at this point.

I’m 90/10 it stays shut down an additional 2 to 4 weeks.

No matter what the outcome, some group will be ****** off.


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Brian P

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My undeducated guess is that they'll open "something" up after the stay-at-home order ... but only organised activities where it is possible for the organisers to have some sort of control over attendance and crowding. Golf, soccer, tennis, hopefully motorsports (without spectators) under the same plan as last year. Beaches (crowds), provincial parks with campgrounds (crowds), outdoor concerts (crowds), spectators for sporting events (crowds) are probably not happening.
 

Mad Mike

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I’m hopeful for the May long weekend. My shot has kicked in, I’d really like to go see my boat that’s been stranded in NewYork, but I’m ruling that out.

Option 2 is to go north. I got notified today that my new ATV will ship from Polaris’ factory on May 12, and should be in Cochrane at the dealer by May 17, ready to pickup on the 18th. I’ll take a couple of dirt bikes with me just in case, there are thousands of km to explore and I can start riding at my front door. That weekend is hopefully the first motofun of the season.
 

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