Ok now BC is just getting crazy

[TimC]

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When you impose a fine and demand payment, you are in effect taking away a person's assets of value. Money is an asset of value. A car is alkso an asset of value, just in a different form.

pantload

tear a 20 dollar bill and it's still worth 20 bucks

throw a mint supersport on the hook and over to the pound where they lay it on it's side until the owner comes to pick it up a week later does a number on the "value"

hands off the damn property

 

[jc100]

Lol that makes no sense...take a $20 bill away from someone and they've lost $20....if those cars were worth $20 then the owners lost $20 worth of car.

 

[TwistedKestrel]

who says they were racing and just not driving in an excited manner...

Well, as to that, I'm afraid that "street racing" has been more or less permanently redefined to include driving in an excited manner. I don't see that form of legal newspeak being reversed anytime soon.

 

[yee_boys69]

They always say "driving" is a privialage. So when it comes to all this racing BS, take away/suspend their DRIVERS LICENCE not their vehicle.

Now you just have a really expensive track car....because last I checked, you don't need a licence to drive on the track.

Sure speeding is wrong blah blah blah, but there is a big difference between speeding on a highway that was designed for faster speeds then the posted limit. And speeding in a 40 or 50km/h school or residential zone. They always seem to forget the fact that most of the cars they were driving can handle better at speed and stop faster then almost every other car on the road.

The average super car stop from 100km/h in a distance of around 30-35m. Your average car does it around 45m, some suvs are mid 60m's. Just throwing it out there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGkKDaYd3Mo

old video, but kinda makes a point.

 

[TimC]

Lol that makes no sense...take a $20 bill away from someone and they've lost $20....if those cars were worth $20 then the owners lost $20 worth of car.

didn't you claim to be a teacher?

lemme quote myself

"tear a 20 dollar bill and it's still worth 20 bucks

throw a mint supersport on the hook and over to the pound where they lay it on it's side until the owner comes to pick it up a week later does a number on the "value""

turbospin equates property to money without acknowleging "conditon of property"

condition of property has a direct effect on it's value....while cash is still cash regardless of condition

so seizing property vs seizing cash is not comparable

a mint low km Ducati is worth what?.....how about if it's been laid on it' s side in a field for a week or two?

apparently you don't teach math

 

[turbodish]

pantload

tear a 20 dollar bill and it's still worth 20 bucks

throw a mint supersport on the hook and over to the pound where they lay it on it's side until the owner comes to pick it up a week later does a number on the "value"

hands off the damn property

I'm talking permanent forfeiture as in the Civil Remedies Act or the Civil Forfeiture Act, as in you don't get the thing back ever, whether that thing be money or goods with monetary value. Either way, the condition of said good following forfeiture is irrelevant as far as you're concerned given that you won't ever see it again.

As far as potential condition on return following a short term impound, you take your chances and you reap whatever reward comes of it. You know the consequences up front and despite all the bleating from the whiny minority they're not about to change any time soon simply because the greater masses APPLAUD seering the wheels of a fool taken away on the hook. It's your choice to roll the dice and risk the consequences of either temporary or permanent loss, or you can play it safe and avoid that risk.

 

[turbodish]

turbospin equates property to money without acknowleging "conditon of property"

condition of property has a direct effect on it's value....while cash is still cash regardless of condition

so seizing property vs seizing cash is not comparable

a mint low km Ducati is worth what?.....how about if it's been laid on it' s side in a field for a week or two?

This is about seizure as in forfeiture. Forfeiture means you never see the lost goods again, so their condition is irrelevant as far as you're concerned.

 

[JohnnyP636]

In the video the cop says "Federal Integrated Proceeds of Crime Unit" did a review and made the recommendation to the BC civil forfeiture to have all 13 cars forfeited.

Am I the only one wondering what do these cars have to do with proceeds of crime? Is there more the this story, are they drug dealers or mafia? LOL

 

[Tango5]

...woah the hypocrisy of humankind.

 

[Metastable]

Not really, given that an owner is legally responsible for the operation of the vehicle regardless of who the driver is at any given time. The HTA has many offences where the owner can be charged for a given offence even if another person was driving, and civil liability for a vehicle's operation has always rested on a vehicle's owner regardless of operator. The seizure in BC (or Ontario) would be done through civil regulatory law, not criminal law.

Turbo please man, stop trying to find some weasel way of explaining a judicial atrocity. It is insulting to hear your comments if you were an individual who has ever had the displeasure of living in a country where your rights were stripped and everything you owned was taken away. This is Canada, it isn't suppose to be that way. That's why people from all over the world come and live here. To impound cars that MIGHT have been or were guilty by association is disgraceful. If they had actual proof, then that's another story.

A smart guy like you should be able to see with clarity that what happened was not right and even you should express your displeasure with these events.

Like someone posted earlier... "this isn't a slippery slope it is DOWNHILL SKIING!"

 

[turbodish]

To impound cars that MIGHT have been or were guilty by association is disgraceful. If they had actual proof, then that's another story.

A smart guy like you should be able to see with clarity that what happened was not right and even you should express your displeasure with these events.

It has to go before a before a courtand the court decides if there are grounds to support the forfeiture. The court, not you after reading a newspaper article, will decide if there is sufficient proof based on a balance of probabilities, and it will do soonly after hearing from both Crown and the vehicles' owners. That is the judicial process at work.

 

[Metastable]

I'm just talking about the impound.... because the forfeiture hasn't happened yet.

Let's go hypothetical - Hypothetically if the police didn't see anything wrong being committed, would you be OK if they impounded 13 cars on hearsay... or handing out tickets on hearsay? I'm just wondering.

 

[Picua]

they just want to impound the nice cars and auction them off for some nice dough. Obviously.

 

[turbodish]

I'm just talking about the impound.... because the forfeiture hasn't happened yet.

Let's go hypothetical - Hypothetically if the police didn't see anything wrong being committed, would you be OK if they impounded 13 cars on hearsay... or handing out tickets on hearsay? I'm just wondering.

If police have credible and multiple witnesses who each call in independently to report the same reckless driving incident, who are willing to testify about reckless driving, and who can positively identify the cars involved, why shouldn't police lay charges? Why should that be treated any different from a witness or multiple witnesses who can identify a vehicle that is involved in a hit and run?

 

[Dohhh]

In the video the cop says "Federal Integrated Proceeds of Crime Unit" did a review and made the recommendation to the BC civil forfeiture to have all 13 cars forfeited.

Am I the only one wondering what do these cars have to do with proceeds of crime? Is there more the this story, are they drug dealers or mafia? LOL

They just realized that these cars are worth a pretty penny and would prefer to see the money go into their pockets. Ever heard of cops trying to permanently seize a kids parent minivan for good cause the kid was a bad boy? Not much u can get for a 1998 ford windstar...now a lambo and ferrari cha ching! $$$$$$$

 

[turbodish]

They just realized that these cars are worth a pretty penny and would prefer to see the money go into their pockets. Ever heard of cops trying to permanently trying to seize a kids parent minivan for good cause the kid was a bad boy? Not much u can get for a 1998 ford windstar...now a lambo and ferrari cha ching! $$$$$$$

One of the first cars ever seized for street racing under Ontario's civil forfeiture law was an old **** box Honda. The other car seized around the same time was no plum prize either.

http://news.ontario.ca/archive/en/2...cars-forfeited-as-instruments-of-unlawfu.html

 

[Metastable]

- Since when can you get a traffic ticket for hearsay?
- You're telling me people remember exactly what all 13 cars looked like? Heck I like cars, bikes etc.... and I don't think I'd be able to remember what all the different cars and colours were.... as they blew past me at 200.

I'm not against them getting nailed to the wall if they did what they did, but do it the right way. And just on a little side note. If they were holding back traffic for their "friends" to go race.... at least they were keeping other people away from danger. Having said that, I still think that is terribly inconsiderate and if there is evidence of them doing that, they should get busted for it too. Someone might have going to the hospital or late for something important and it isn't right to just hold up traffic to get your knocks off.

 

[turbodish]

- Since when can you get a traffic ticket for hearsay?
- You're telling me people remember exactly what all 13 cars looked like? Heck I like cars, bikes etc.... and I don't think I'd be able to remember what all the different cars and colours were.... as they blew past me at 200.

I'm not against them getting nailed to the wall if they did what they did, but do it the right way. And just on a little side note. If they were holding back traffic for their "friends" to go race.... at least they were keeping other people away from danger. Having said that, I still think that is terribly inconsiderate and if there is evidence of them doing that, they should get busted for it too. Someone might have going to the hospital or late for something important and it isn't right to just hold up traffic to get your knocks off.

First off, a witness personally reporting an incident to police is not engaging in hearsay. Hearsay would be if a witness told another person about an incident, and that other person then called the police to report the incident based on what they heard from the actual witness. Hear->say, get it?

In this one the cars were distinctive enough that identification wasn't really an issue. There were apparebtly several witnesses who called in to police. Each individual witness would not have to remember what ALL 13 cars looked like - they would only have to remember what the specific car or cars they were reporting looked like, and these cars were unique. It wasn't like they were trying to report a single silver Honda in a sea of silver lookalike cars driving badly.

At about 3:30 p.m. local time, police received several complaints of high-end cars speeding southbound along Highway 99 in the area of the George Massey tunnel

Witnesses reported the cars were travelling at speeds up to 200 km/h, and on several occasions two cars would travel side by side and slow down to allow vehicles in front of them to take off in a race.

"The majority of them had personalized plates as well and were souped-up, so they're fairly distinguished and the witnesses had no problem in providing us with the descriptors that were tracked back to the vehicles."

 

[Metastable]

Um call me confused, but if A POLICE officer busts you for speeding and tells another one to pull you over, they BOTH have to go to court. Isn't the first officer just a witness? Hersay... i.e. the one righting the ticket never saw anything.

 

[jc100]

didn't you claim to be a teacher?

lemme quote myself

"tear a 20 dollar bill and it's still worth 20 bucks

throw a mint supersport on the hook and over to the pound where they lay it on it's side until the owner comes to pick it up a week later does a number on the "value""

turbospin equates property to money without acknowleging "conditon of property"

condition of property has a direct effect on it's value....while cash is still cash regardless of condition

so seizing property vs seizing cash is not comparable

a mint low km Ducati is worth what?.....how about if it's been laid on it' s side in a field for a week or two?

apparently you don't teach math

No, but I understand english. Looks like someone explained it to you though already.

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