Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

[Gaoler]

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Do not assume all police officers are equally competent in regards to their weapon(s).
Some of the worst, most dangerous firearm handling I've seen has been that of police officers.
Most are totally fine, but man... Some have no business walking around with a loaded gun on 'em... Lol.

 

[justride]

I highly doubt the OPP knew who was actually driving the deceased car, let alone if the deceased driver had a violent criminal background.
Chatham-Kent Ontario Provincial Police Const. Sean O’Rourke will end his 31 years of law enforcement with the death of Nicholas Edward Grieves, 24, for $40 of gas.

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Khehra lawyer for Ontario Provincial Police Const. Sean O’Rourke “Police officers are entrusted to use reasonable force to protect themselves and others.
Maybe Khehra shouldn't have said that?

The Ontario Provincial Police Association said in a statement issued after the verdict: “The lives of the family of the deceased, our police officers and our civilian members have been forever impacted.”
Truer words could not have been said!

Dont forget the gas station attendant who called the police. The whole community is afftected...

 

[Dirty Frank]

A lot of criminals are caught because they are stupid, but I thought pay before pump was universal so how did it happen?

If there was contraband, I'm sure it would have been duly noted.

I'd be more comfortable if the deceased's criminal history was fully revealed along with the details of the robbery.

The police take a lot of abuse and IMO it's getting worse. Provoked people sometimes make bad choices.

In the moment do you believe that the cop was privy to the deceased parties criminal history?
If the officer had been found culpable the the number of PON's written in the southwest region would drop to near zero.
There is a well established history of this whenever a member is facing discipline on a matter that the rank and file consider righteous.
The financial component of that added significant pressure on the courts decision in this case.

 

[GreyGhost]

Do not assume all police officers are equally competent in regards to their weapon(s).
Some of the worst, most dangerous firearm handling I've seen has been that of police officers.
Most are totally fine, but man... Some have no business walking around with a loaded gun on 'em... Lol.

I said what shpuld happen with a competent operator. Police have so little training and such a low bar for annual qualification that it is embarrassing. If you fire less than at least 100 rounds a month, you shpuld not be carrying in public. Most cops are something like 50 rounds a year and all under controlled and non-stressed situations. That is grossly inadequate for someone we expect to start shooting effectively in stressful and uncontrolled conditions.

 

[nobbie48]

In the moment do you believe that the cop was privy to the deceased parties criminal history?
If the officer had been found culpable the the number of PON's written in the southwest region would drop to near zero.
There is a well established history of this whenever a member is facing discipline on a matter that the rank and file consider righteous.
The financial component of that added significant pressure on the courts decision in this case.

The criminal history would only be an indicator of the officer's gut reaction, after the fact and having little status in court.

As far as the rest go, the same goes for politicians, military, civil servants, the judicial etc.

The private sector isn't privilege to the access to documentation and the minions are well paid to hide, destroy and confuse. If the private sector has enough money, they may get a deferred prosecutorial something or another.

A manager I worked under had a relative shot and killed in his own driveway by an OPP officer. A thorough search finally found something that, late at night, could have resembled a gun. As I understand it an officer has to record the number of times they unholster their sidearm. This one was 10 time the average.

The family said the victim was a wimp. Care to speculate?

 

[justride]

Would Chatham-Kent Ontario Provincial Police Const. Sean O’Rourke be subject to a civil suit?

 

[nobbie48]

Would Chatham-Kent Ontario Provincial Police Const. Sean O’Rourke be subject to a civil suit?

Possibly. The person doing so would need deep pockets.

Many years ago, an OPP officer I knew was involved in an event that resulted in injuries to an innocent party and was threatened with a lawsuit. At that time the policy was the OPP would pay the legal costs as long as the officer wasn't doing anything illegal. That particular officer was not charged with anything illegal so the hundreds of billions of dollars of the Ontario budget would be available as a war fund.

IMO there are thousands of potential lawsuits that could be launched against the various levels of government and those governments do not want precedents to make future suits easier.

O'Rourke hasn't been charged and convicted of anything illegal so is under the government financial umbrella.

If you look at the government record of alleged offences vs favourable outcomes for the victims, the picture is bleak for the victims.

 

[I82l8]

A lot of criminals are caught because they are stupid...

Kawartha Lakes OPP arrest 4 teens following armed robbery in Little Britain | Watch News Videos Online

 

[I82l8]

Do not assume all police officers are equally competent in regards to their weapon(s).
Some of the worst, most dangerous firearm handling I've seen has been that of police officers.
Most are totally fine, but man... Some have no business walking around with a loaded gun on 'em... Lol.

My son is a infanteer and he says that police weapon(s) training is a joke compared to theirs.
There's a reason why the police love to hire ex army members.

 

[GreyGhost]

My son is a infanteer and he says that police weapon(s) training is a joke compared to theirs.
There's a reason why the police love to hire ex army members.

It's good that they were competent at one point. Like pilots, they really should have solid recent experience or stop carrying. For so many reasons the brass and goon squad don't want to even acknowledge this epic failure in the system.

 

[GreyGhost]

Let's see if a judge is finally connected to reality. Youths on bail got caught in a stolen car with loaded prohibited weapons. In no world should they see daylight again as they obviously have zero interest in complying with laws nor following the conditions the court sets.

3 youths out on bail facing weapons charges after allegedly fleeing vehicle stop in Etobicoke

Three youths out on bail are facing weapons charges after allegedly fleeing an attempted vehicle stop in Etobicoke Thursday evening.

toronto.citynews.ca

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I don't care if they are guilty or innocent of the original charges, the courts should be able to hold a preliminary hearing very shortly after arrest (possibly as part of the bail hearing) to review the evidence at hand and decide whether it is sufficient to keep them locked up. If you have bodycam of a kid bailing out of a stolen car, running, getting tackled by an officer and a handgun being pulled out of their pants, f you kid. Time for bubba to have his way with you.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Let's see if a judge is finally connected to reality. Youths on bail got caught in a stolen car with loaded prohibited weapons. In no world should they see daylight again as they obviously have zero interest in complying with laws nor following the conditions the court sets.

3 youths out on bail facing weapons charges after allegedly fleeing vehicle stop in Etobicoke

Three youths out on bail are facing weapons charges after allegedly fleeing an attempted vehicle stop in Etobicoke Thursday evening.

toronto.citynews.ca

EDIT:
I don't care if they are guilty or innocent of the original charges, the courts should be able to hold a preliminary hearing very shortly after arrest (possibly as part of the bail hearing) to review the evidence at hand and decide whether it is sufficient to keep them locked up. If you have bodycam of a kid bailing out of a stolen car, running, getting tackled by an officer and a handgun being pulled out of their pants, f you kid. Time for bubba to have his way with you.

In an ideal world that's exactly how it should go. Picked up for flight from police and exactly the same sort of crime that they were on bail for should land them either in holding, or with a massively increased bond amount that's tantamount to the same thing.

 

[GreyGhost]

In an ideal world that's exactly how it should go. Picked up for flight from police and exactly the same sort of crime that they were on bail for should land them either in holding, or with a massively increased bond amount that's tantamount to the same thing.

Bail should be on the order of life crushing for a violation. If little johnny doesnt care if he makes his mom homeless, maybe his mom wont bother vouching for him. The current implementation of reasonably small numbers and judges often letting people pay in the future even when they have past bail that was never paid is theater and a waste of time. Hell, give posters the option to throw the bail money in a S&P 500 fund. If no bail violations occur, you get back the current value. If you had to borrow the money that should cover the interest and more.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Bail should be on the order of life crushing for a violation. If little johnny doesnt care if he makes his mom homeless, maybe his mom wont bother vouching for him. The current implementation of reasonably small numbers and judges often letting people pay in the future even when they have past bail that was never paid is theater and a waste of time. Hell, give posters the option to throw the bail money in a S&P 500 fund. If no bail violations occur, you get back the current value. If you had to borrow the money that should cover the interest and more.

Even in the US there is such a things as a OR bond for $XXXX.XX.

There have been a few high profile cases in which someone should have forfeited bail and the judge has specifically balked at taking someone's home. As far as I'm concerned when you act as surety for someone, you should be monitoring that person. There are damned few people that I would stand surety for.

 

[Gaoler]

My son is a infanteer and he says that police weapon(s) training is a joke compared to theirs.
There's a reason why the police love to hire ex army members.

I'd disagree, but qualify it by adding you must consider context.... If that's the right word.
I 100% guarantee an infanteer of our CAF doesn't get their hands on ANY live ammunition unless under extremely controlled and supervised. conditions. Hence, muzzle control and trigger discipline are suggestions.
To a police officer it's an unloaded gun that's dangerous as the whole point of carrying one is to have it ready at a second's notice.
On a civilian range that firearm isn't loaded and the finger stays off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I'd disagree, but qualify it by adding you must consider context.... If that's the right word.
I 100% guarantee an infanteer of our CAF doesn't get their hands on ANY live ammunition unless under extremely controlled and supervised. conditions. Hence, muzzle control and trigger discipline are suggestions.
To a police officer it's an unloaded gun that's dangerous as the whole point of carrying one is to have it ready at a second's notice.
On a civilian range that firearm isn't loaded and the finger stays off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.

Trigger discipline is also supposed to be trained into cops.

 

[Gaoler]

Trigger discipline is also supposed to be trained into cops.

"Supposed to".... Yes. Lol.

Look at it this way... not all cops are expert gun handlers.
They're not all expert drivers either, but...
Wuddya gonna do... ? *shrug*

Im pretty sure I can get through life without being shot by a cop regardless of how bad they are at gun handling

 

[nobbie48]

Too many "Supposed to's" and "Should's" in this mess.

One of the best life lessons I learned was in grade eight wood working.

I was usually top of the class but one project went sour. An egg cup I was making came out well under par because someone had forgotten to reset the lathe after turning a taper. I argued that it wasn't my fault and the teacher kindly replied "If I was buying an egg cup I would pay less for yours because of the imperfections. How that came to be is irrelevant as it sits in a store window."

As far as a punk's mother losing her house, she probably doesn't have one.

I sometimes wonder about the healthiest amount of money one should grow up with. Too little and investments, futures and ROIs are never discussed. Too much and the assumption of the bottomless well of sustenance creating a sense of privilege.

The poor kid wants something and theft is a temptation.

The rich kid has everything but the excitement of a pursuit so he rattles cages by robbing a bank.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Interview with the security guard at the Detroit church shooting last week.

 

[Dirty Frank]

Cop empties his sidearm twice at close range suspect unscathed

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