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Increased hwy speed limit

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K20EF8

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Its about time. 100 kph is among the slowest in the world. That speed limit was introduced in the 60s when cars have 4 wheel drum brakes.
100 kph on one of the most modern highways in the world, the 407, is a complete joke.
Advanced studies have shown the speed limit should be set at what 80% of the drivers already drive at.
The 400 series of highways should be 120 and IMO the 407 should be 130 or 140.
 

Roadghost

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Neither here nor there to me. It will require larger cc bikes though. 125's and 250's could be SOL in a world where cars are doing 130km/h all day. I find any highway within 70 miles of GTA too crowded for fast driving. I'll leave that to you daredevils.
 

Mad Mike

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Neither here nor there to me. It will require larger cc bikes though. 125's and 250's could be SOL in a world where cars are doing 130km/h all day. I find any highway within 70 miles of GTA too crowded for fast driving. I'll leave that to you daredevils.
I've made a few passes up the 404 at 150 on a Ninja 250. Go there any night after 6PM north of Davis and you'll be in the flow of traffic. I was heading to the 'Wick last Sunday running 150 on my Wee at Queensville Sd Rd when gal in a Yaris blew past me - she must have been near 200kmh!
 

ReSTored

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On 400 series highways traffic flows at 110 - 120 kph now, so having a revised limit of 120 kph really changes nothing for most people.

In many cases the 80 kph limit on rural roads is too slow and traffic flows at about 100 kph. This should be addressed as well.
 

SunnY S

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Bring it on!

then I can fly at 169 km/h without worrying about getting by vehicle seized!

before the silly street racing laws, 170 was my usual cruise speed (responsibly, not recklessly)
 

Wingboy

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Just curious.Why does mostly everyone need to go faster? Most daily drives are short enough that the eta won't change much more than a few minutes.My personal feeling is that most drivers have a "me first" mentality.
 

Blackfin

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For me it's not about opening up the possibility of that much more additional speed but rather being able to drive or ride at the median speed -- ~120-130kph when conditions allow -- without fear of being tagged with a random and arbitrary "speeding" ticket. It's the same with the "Parkway" in KW; by observation, natural flow on that road is 110-120kph but if you do so its arbitrarily-low limit of 90kph put you squarely in demerit points and insurance-hit territory.

TBH, if they raised the limit for the 400-series to 120 but left the "racing" speed and its penalties in place for 150+ I'd be okay with that too.
 

raginduck

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For me it's not about opening up the possibility of that much more additional speed but rather being able to drive or ride at the median speed -- ~120-130kph when conditions allow -- without fear of being tagged with a random and arbitrary "speeding" ticket. It's the same with the "Parkway" in KW; by observation, natural flow on that road is 110-120kph but if you do so its arbitrarily-low limit of 90kph put you squarely in demerit points and insurance-hit territory.

TBH, if they raised the limit for the 400-series to 120 but left the "racing" speed and its penalties in place for 150+ I'd be okay with that too.
The median speed will go up if the speed limit is raised. People that do 130-140 now will be doing 150-160 if the limit is changed to 120.
 

Blackfin

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The median speed will go up if the speed limit is raised. People that do 130-140 now will be doing 150-160 if the limit is changed to 120.
I don't believe that to be true. This study goes back a ways (to 1992):

Effects Of Raising And Lowering Speed limits

but suggests that raising the limit will not have that effect:

"...raising speed limits by as much as 15 mi/h (24 km/h) had little effect on motorist' speed. The majority of motorist did not drive 5 mi/h (8 km/h) above the posted speed limits when speed limits were raised, nor did they reduce their speed by 5 or 10 mi/h (8 or 16 km/h) when speed limits are lowered. Data collected at the study sites indicated that the majority of speed limits are posed below the average speed of traffic. Lowering speed limits below the 50th percentile does not reduce accidents, but does significantly increase driver violations of the speed limit. Conversely, raising the posted speed limits did not increase speeds or accidents."

Perhaps you have something more recent that suggests this has changed?

Even if you do, I would still advocate for a raised limit but leave the 150kph threshold in place for HTA172 violations. Those folks that set the cruise control for 160 are going to be making up provincial ticket revenue lost when people traveling at 120-130 no longer get needlessly dinged.
 

nobbie48

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Its about time. 100 kph is among the slowest in the world. That speed limit was introduced in the 60s when cars have 4 wheel drum brakes.
100 kph on one of the most modern highways in the world, the 407, is a complete joke.
Advanced studies have shown the speed limit should be set at what 80% of the drivers already drive at.
The 400 series of highways should be 120 and IMO the 407 should be 130 or 140.
Apples to Oranges. We often hear that in Sweden they do this and Germany they do that but in some ways a lot of other countries are more advanced in other ways and we can't expect the same results. For starters our driver training sucks.

Number two our policing for profit policy has brain washed people into ignoring laws other than speeding. A lot of traffic safety options in Ontario are options, passing on solid lines and signaling if those haven't changed recently.

How about yearly vehicle inspections to make sure Bubba's pickup truck brakes work?
 

nobbie48

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Just curious.Why does mostly everyone need to go faster? Most daily drives are short enough that the eta won't change much more than a few minutes.My personal feeling is that most drivers have a "me first" mentality.
There is a diminishing return on speed increases. A buddy living in Niagara Falls relates his drive to Port Credit for family visits doing the limit and the white knuckle ride when an in-law had a heart attack. The white knuckle ride saved him five minutes.
 

Wingboy

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There is a diminishing return on speed increases. A buddy living in Niagara Falls relates his drive to Port Credit for family visits doing the limit and the white knuckle ride when an in-law had a heart attack. The white knuckle ride saved him five minutes.
5 minutes? Was that sarcasm?
 

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