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Comes with automatic and abs only if you pay an extra 2000.
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In case you were wondering about those big scoots.....
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Comes with automatic and abs only if you pay an extra 2000.
MarcosSantiago
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And only if you live in the USA
Canada gets only the 6 speed manual transmission (no optional automatic)
And look at the friggin' prices:
Here, NC700x with ABS is $9,000 canadian
In the USA, same bike with abs AND automatic, $9,000 american
Arrgghh
*Edit* Nevermind. Can't read.
(I don't like automatic anyway)
(I don't like automatic anyway)
and you know this how??
CH250 Elite. CM400 Hondamatic. I'm not the rider I was, back then. I enjoy shifting. Automatic is for transportation.
A 2-speed automatic with centrifugal clutch. Rear brake doubles as parking brake. Pretty neat little bike: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371334
A bit off topic, but as people are discussing what Honda is bringing in, here is another one. Not on the CDn site yet, but I was told by a dealer it will be here next month, MSRP arounf $5000
http://powersports.honda.com/2013/crf250l.aspx
http://powersports.honda.com/2013/crf250l.aspx
MarcosSantiago
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At the same time, automatic transmissions are not what they used to be.
Perhaps it is time you give them another chance?
Example, I am amazed at modern Piaggio / Vespa transmissions: how well they work, the reliability, how compact they are, etc.
The new NC700 bikes come with (arguable) one of the most advanced automatic transmission in the world. For the price ($9k in the USA) it represents good value
At the same time, automatic transmissions are not what they used to be.
Perhaps it is time you give them another chance?
Example, I am amazed at modern Piaggio / Vespa transmissions: how well they work, the reliability, how compact they are, etc.
The new NC700 bikes come with (arguable) one of the most advanced automatic transmission in the world. For the price ($9k in the USA) it represents good value
"Most advanced" is nice, and all, but as I stated for me part of the fun of riding is changing gears. I'm unlikely to go auto for that reason. My cars have all been automatic though.
(The CM belonged to a friend)
Yep - time to renew your information base Rob.
The VFR1200 standard tranny owner that took the DCT for a ride for a day came back and said he wished he'd bought the automation.
Just as sport automatics have moved into high sports cars is a direction the mcycle world is moving as well. Roll and go and it gives you huge flexibility from manual ( button shift ) to commuting to sports which shifts not only the gearing but several other performance aspects at the same time.
Meet me at the Forks and take the 650 for an hour. Without the sports aspect I would tend to agree with you.
When you dial in the Power button the world changes in terms of available performance and because the weight is way down low on these they are nimble for their weight.
I would agree. These Canadian reviewers were also shocked at the handling and the fun factor.
http://www.onewheeldrive.net/2006/10/04/scoot-touring-the-honda-silverwing-and-suzuki-burgman/
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Same thing occurred on the way to the Forks the other day - happened to pull in behind a couple of bikes ( they thought I was a cop at first ) and we sort of boogied through that bit of twistie on King Road and then accelerated on Mississauga north and the 650 had no trouble keeping up.
When we pulled into the coffee shop they were surprised it was a scoot and had lots of questions about top speed etc and I was surprised the one was a VFR800 which is one of the few bikes I'd consider as an alternative.
Once you get used to never having to think about shifting and having brakes in both hands it's a whole new world of concentrating on braking, cornering and roll and go out of any twist.
I had no idea when I got into the genre that the twistie performance ( and quite frankly off the line - 0-100 is 4.6 or so and it's not much dependent on rider skill as much as the ECVT ) would be so much fun.
That big Aprilla 850 crossover between maxi and motorcycle would give any sports bike a run.
You get the fun of great twisty performance and the ease of an automatic around town and commuting.
The VFR1200 standard tranny owner that took the DCT for a ride for a day came back and said he wished he'd bought the automation.
Just as sport automatics have moved into high sports cars is a direction the mcycle world is moving as well. Roll and go and it gives you huge flexibility from manual ( button shift ) to commuting to sports which shifts not only the gearing but several other performance aspects at the same time.
Meet me at the Forks and take the 650 for an hour. Without the sports aspect I would tend to agree with you.
When you dial in the Power button the world changes in terms of available performance and because the weight is way down low on these they are nimble for their weight.
I would agree. These Canadian reviewers were also shocked at the handling and the fun factor.
http://www.onewheeldrive.net/2006/10/04/scoot-touring-the-honda-silverwing-and-suzuki-burgman/
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Same thing occurred on the way to the Forks the other day - happened to pull in behind a couple of bikes ( they thought I was a cop at first ) and we sort of boogied through that bit of twistie on King Road and then accelerated on Mississauga north and the 650 had no trouble keeping up.
When we pulled into the coffee shop they were surprised it was a scoot and had lots of questions about top speed etc and I was surprised the one was a VFR800 which is one of the few bikes I'd consider as an alternative.
Once you get used to never having to think about shifting and having brakes in both hands it's a whole new world of concentrating on braking, cornering and roll and go out of any twist.
I had no idea when I got into the genre that the twistie performance ( and quite frankly off the line - 0-100 is 4.6 or so and it's not much dependent on rider skill as much as the ECVT ) would be so much fun.
That big Aprilla 850 crossover between maxi and motorcycle would give any sports bike a run.
You get the fun of great twisty performance and the ease of an automatic around town and commuting.
Sorry, but nothing said here does anything to alter my statement that I enjoy the act of shifting. It doesn't matter that the technology has advanced or even that it would shift more effectively than I do. I enjoy it. It's part of my experience, on a motorcycle.
wonderings
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Shifting is not something I think about, and its something I like and prefer. Same with cars, though if I was sitting in rush hour traffic in T.O. I would want an automatic just to save clutching in and out for stand still traffic. I don't live there, so have no care for anything automatic. On my GSA, braking is great, and one linked hand brake does it all.
Different strokes for different folks, I personally have no interest in an automatic motorcycle.
Different strokes for different folks, I personally have no interest in an automatic motorcycle.
Fair enough - you just don't have relevant experience for current machines.
This poster understands.
Rob, I would have agreed with your position BEFORE I got on the 650 - and like thousands of others I'd not go back except on a dual sport which I do in Australia.
In my view and that of many other it takes the riding fun up a notch in the twistes and is a hand and frustration saver in traffic.
It should bring more riders in as well and keep aging riders with hand issues riding longer.
Just the sheer enjoyment of having dual ranges of performance is a superb move forward in motorcycling. I notice some of the upper end muscle cars are using the same idea to radically alter performance from docile to fire breathing as with the all electronically controlled engines that becomes the push of a button.
I'm looking forward to even more of a transformer bike where not only performance but seating position and suspension can be altered electronically.
Already aside from the sport auto setting the Burgman can lower the windshield to a sport riding see over position and if you really want tuck in the mirrors electronically. ( bit much but they do push a lot of air ).
The other aspect is that the sports autos CAN be shifted manually tho after fooling around almost no one bothers except to force it into overdrive for mileage.
This poster understands.
Rob, I would have agreed with your position BEFORE I got on the 650 - and like thousands of others I'd not go back except on a dual sport which I do in Australia.
In my view and that of many other it takes the riding fun up a notch in the twistes and is a hand and frustration saver in traffic.
It should bring more riders in as well and keep aging riders with hand issues riding longer.
Just the sheer enjoyment of having dual ranges of performance is a superb move forward in motorcycling. I notice some of the upper end muscle cars are using the same idea to radically alter performance from docile to fire breathing as with the all electronically controlled engines that becomes the push of a button.
I'm looking forward to even more of a transformer bike where not only performance but seating position and suspension can be altered electronically.
Already aside from the sport auto setting the Burgman can lower the windshield to a sport riding see over position and if you really want tuck in the mirrors electronically. ( bit much but they do push a lot of air ).
The other aspect is that the sports autos CAN be shifted manually tho after fooling around almost no one bothers except to force it into overdrive for mileage.
I think it was a marketing move by Suzuki to help assure fence-sitters that the Big Burg wouldn't deprive them of manually shifting if they really enjoyed it. The truth is, almost nobody bothers (used it once myself just to see if it worked).
3M_TA3
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to OP,
sorry if i've missed this info, but only went thru the first page of this thread. i was wondering for the burg 400:
- how many litres is the tank capacity?
- how many kilometers can it go on a full tank till empty?
i've been contemplating on getting a burgman myself and use it to tour down south of the border. i don't really want to saddle up my ride and use it for that purpose coz it does not get good mileage. i sat on a burg sometime ago and was surprised on how comfortable it is. i wanted to see how nice or bad the ride is but unfortunately, i wasn't able to take it for a test ride. but by the sound of it, it is a good bike.
sorry if i've missed this info, but only went thru the first page of this thread. i was wondering for the burg 400:
- how many litres is the tank capacity?
- how many kilometers can it go on a full tank till empty?
i've been contemplating on getting a burgman myself and use it to tour down south of the border. i don't really want to saddle up my ride and use it for that purpose coz it does not get good mileage. i sat on a burg sometime ago and was surprised on how comfortable it is. i wanted to see how nice or bad the ride is but unfortunately, i wasn't able to take it for a test ride. but by the sound of it, it is a good bike.
There are a few GTAMers that run them, but going to the source will probably be more helpful: http://burgmanusa.com/forums/index.php.
Generally, the 400 is lighter, has a better fuel range and a larger trunk. It's still highway capable (2007 redesign is better + optional ABS), but not as good for heavier riders or 2up. The engine is a single, not a twin like the 650 and the transmission is a more conventional scooter variator w/belt drive setup (no electronics). The 650 uses a electronic CVT with a sealed gears final drive.
It's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other, really.
Generally, the 400 is lighter, has a better fuel range and a larger trunk. It's still highway capable (2007 redesign is better + optional ABS), but not as good for heavier riders or 2up. The engine is a single, not a twin like the 650 and the transmission is a more conventional scooter variator w/belt drive setup (no electronics). The 650 uses a electronic CVT with a sealed gears final drive.
It's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other, really.
Not for the intended use in my view.
The 400 is really a local commuter and the belt requires changing every 20k. I'd never suggest touring on a 400 as a primary use. Local with minor trips sure.
They are a world of difference in tech and build. But by all means go to the Burgman site and ask..
Just ignore Daboo as he will be sure to chime in and he has never owned a 650.
650 is certainly the best all around bike I've owned in 43 years and many 650 owners will say the same.
What is your inseam tho??
The 400 is really a local commuter and the belt requires changing every 20k. I'd never suggest touring on a 400 as a primary use. Local with minor trips sure.
They are a world of difference in tech and build. But by all means go to the Burgman site and ask..
Just ignore Daboo as he will be sure to chime in and he has never owned a 650.
650 is certainly the best all around bike I've owned in 43 years and many 650 owners will say the same.
What is your inseam tho??
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