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H-D has a new boss

Jikayen

Member
"Honestly, at least Wikipedia is subject to the masses, and thankfully, the smart still outweigh the stupid there."

You're kidding right?

In a university setting a student isn't allowed to use Wikipedia as a source, at least they weren't when I did my post graduate ending in 2015.
You're told in uni not to quote Wikipedia directly, but you can absolutely use it to find the sources you need as Wikipedia articles generally provides copious amounts of footnotes and article sources. In fact, it's generally recommended to do a Wikipedia reading first to get a strong overall understanding of the subject before you look for details through specific articles and readings.

Wikipedia is a tool for knowledge and learning, you just have to know how to use it appropriately. It is by no means the answer to everything, but it is also not all fake facts and made up ****. Even though anyone can edit pages, troll and misinforming edits can be detected and fixed in under a week to in an hour, depending on level of importance.
 

BigEvilDoer

Well-known member
Alright fine...
Here ya go guys... a video, of Erik Buell himself, talking about what HD did to the motor, and made it unusable as a sport bike engine.
Watch till 2:33 for all info you need...

*edit* corrected time stamp
 

pfbmgd

Well-known member
You didn't answer my question. The internet in general is different, how?

If I made a website called www.harleydavidsonisbankrupt.com and posted a page there with my statement on it nobody can do anything to debate, question, or correct what I post there. I'm God. What I say I thereby declare as fact.

On Wikipedia, not so much.

Depends on the web site . If they are pushing opinion or facts .
 

pfbmgd

Well-known member
You're told in uni not to quote Wikipedia directly, but you can absolutely use it to find the sources you need as Wikipedia articles generally provides copious amounts of footnotes and article sources. In fact, it's generally recommended to do a Wikipedia reading first to get a strong overall understanding of the subject before you look for details through specific articles and readings.

Wikipedia is a tool for knowledge and learning, you just have to know how to use it appropriately. It is by no means the answer to everything, but it is also not all fake facts and made up ****. Even though anyone can edit pages, troll and misinforming edits can be detected and fixed in under a week to in an hour, depending on level of importance.

So sad you have not read their disclaimer .

 

Jikayen

Member
So sad you have not read their disclaimer .

Seems like you read a Wikipedia article on their disclaimer and haven't read their whole thing yourself.

Wikipedia said:
That is not to say that you will not find valuable and accurate information in Wikipedia; much of the time you will. However, Wikipedia cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here.
Nice try though but you're falling short like your reading comprehension is. So sad that you can't read.
 

pfbmgd

Well-known member
Alright fine...
Here ya go guys... a video, of Erik Buell himself, talking about what HD did to the motor, and made it unusable as a sport bike engine.
Watch till 2:33 for all info you need...

*edit* corrected time stamp

It was a street bike motor because that is what Harley needed . Their VR1000 project was a disaster .
 

pfbmgd

Well-known member
Seems like you read a Wikipedia article on their disclaimer and haven't read their whole thing yourself.

Nice try though but you're falling short like your reading comprehension is. So sad that you can't read.

I can read the bold face disclaimer . If you see they are source of facts . You need to think again .
 

Jikayen

Member
I can read the bold face disclaimer . If you see they are source of facts . You need to think again .
Clearly not because if you had continued to read it you would have come across this link at the end of that same paragraph. Your selective reading is also cute as you coincidentally ignored the sentence preceding the bolded statement. Willful ignorance is worse than innate ignorance.

Wikipedia said:
So before you accuse others of lacking the ability to read and be critical of information sources, maybe you should consider not projecting your own shortcomings and failures on other people. It's pretty indicative that you haven't read a single sentence from that disclaimer and all you're doing is posting it to try and seem like you know what you're talking about. Ironically, had you ACTUALLY read any of it like you were accusing others of being unable to do, you would have realized the whole disclaimer proves your argument moot. Reading is different than reading comprehension; the former suggests you can piece letters together and sound out words, the latter implies understanding of the words you read which you currently lack.

It's unreal how well the Dunning-Kruger effect applies to you.

Try again.
 
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BigEvilDoer

Well-known member
It was a street bike motor because that is what Harley needed . Their VR1000 project was a disaster .
So...
Let me get this straight...
You're completely glossing over the fact that HD saw a motor that might be interesting in one of their bikes, promptly added 70 pounds of dead metal so the motor would look like it would work for a cruiser, and thereby making it garbage for the sport bike it was initially intended for?
Keep drinking the Kool-aid... sigh...
 

Evoex

The God
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lol, guess i called it!
 

pfbmgd

Well-known member
So...
Let me get this straight...
You're completely glossing over the fact that HD saw a motor that might be interesting in one of their bikes, promptly added 70 pounds of dead metal so the motor would look like it would work for a cruiser, and thereby making it garbage for the sport bike it was initially intended for?
Keep drinking the Kool-aid... sigh...

I r ecall the those years of the VR1000 .The bike was never was never competitive . HD went racing in the AMA . The racing program only few years . The 1130 and the 1250 were street motors not racing motors . HD at that time has no interest in sport bikes . The whole racing thing was a promotion at best . The Buell experiment was just that an experiment . Dealers never pushed the Buell product line. Just like they never pushed the vrod .
 

crankcall

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The whole Buell / HD thing was history repeating itself. Shelby and Ford had the same relationship, Ford ignored him until he was too sucessful to ignore,m they saw real potential and would throw a crapload of money at it. Then the fun was over and they coukld wring some marketing out of it without actually spending anything. And then it was gone.

These relationships with creative guru vs. huge manufacturer always end the same way. Britten avoided partnering up with a major producer, but if he got past a dozen bikes I bet it would have happened to him as well.
 

TK4

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The Buell 1125R could have been H-Ds answer with more development, but they walked on the project and Eric Buell's sometimes stubborn and hair-brained engineering got in the way.
Another case of coulda, shoulda, woulda...
 

PrivatePilot

Ironus Butticus
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Contrary to the assumption that some seem to want to jump on that a disclaimer somehow means everything there is rife with incorrect information, that's simply not reality. For the haters, go find 10 Wikipedia articles related to motorcycles and find errors in them and get back to us here on the percentage of factual info versus incorrect info.

Using this crazy argument that because they have a disclaimer everything there should be discounted....every single website on the face of the planet should have the same disclaimer, but again, should I choose to not put it on my fictional www.harleydavidsonisbankrupt.com website, I thereby declare that everything I post on it IS gospel, right?
 

BigEvilDoer

Well-known member
The Buell 1125R could have been H-Ds answer with more development, but they walked on the project and Eric Buell's sometimes stubborn and hair-brained engineering got in the way.
Well, some of his engineering was definitely revolutionary and off the beaten path.
When he did his own EBR Racing line, the 1190RX looked to be a solid bike - very much in the path of the Ducati Panigale 1199.
Scoff if you will, here's a comparison from CycleWorld: Ducati 1199 Panigale vs. EBR 1190RX - Superbike Comparison Test
 

crankcall

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with some developement the 1190XR could have been a real contender in a superbike format.
But underfunded , underfunded, oh and underfunded.
 

pfbmgd

Well-known member
Contrary to the assumption that some seem to want to jump on that a disclaimer somehow means everything there is rife with incorrect information, that's simply not reality. For the haters, go find 10 Wikipedia articles related to motorcycles and find errors in them and get back to us here on the percentage of factual info versus incorrect info.

Using this crazy argument that because they have a disclaimer everything there should be discounted....every single website on the face of the planet should have the same disclaimer, but again, should I choose to not put it on my fictional www.harleydavidsonisbankrupt.com website, I thereby declare that everything I post on it IS gospel, right?

I read some of your posts . Many make sense . But now you are showing your ignorance .

Wikipedia cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here.

It is in bold letters so it catches your eyes .
 

PrivatePilot

Ironus Butticus
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I read some of your posts . Many make sense . But now you are showing your ignorance .

Wikipedia cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here.

It is in bold letters so it catches your eyes .
It's called CYA. Because some lawyer somewhere would otherwise try to sue them if someone put something stupid on there (IE, (Drink bleach, it cures Covid!") and in the 90 seconds it's live on the site before someone deletes it, some doofus comes along, takes it as fact, and drinks bleach.

I stand fast on my opinion that it in no way means that the overwhelming majority of content there is to be lumped in as automatically incorrect accordingly. To the contrary the overwhelming majority of content there is factual and well vetted.
 

TK4

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Well, some of his engineering was definitely revolutionary and off the beaten path.
Understatement. Perimeter brake, fluids carried in the frame (and sometimes swingarm), Eric just refused to colour inside the lines even when it was patently obvious from a marketing standpoint that nobody cared.
I think he's doing bicycles now - they tolerate eccentricity much better.
Its too bad H-D didn't stand with him and at the same time put him on a leash - the combination could have worked (IMO).
 

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