GP Bikes: A Masterclass in Operational Incompetence and Mechanical Neglect

streptoman

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I want to preface this by saying I had every intention of spending significant money at GP Bikes. I was looking to trade in a 2010 Ducati Streetfighter 1098 and purchase a new MV Agusta Brutale 1000 RR — a transaction in the $35,000+ range. What followed was one of the most frustrating dealer experiences I've had in over three decades of riding.

It began before I even walked in the door.
I submitted an inquiry through GP's website regarding several MV Agusta models listed as in-stock. No response. Ever. I eventually drove out to the dealership — from Hamilton — only to discover that none of the models I had enquired about were actually on the floor. The inventory listed on their website bore little resemblance to what was physically available.

The trade-in.
Having been out of the country for most of the past decade, I wasn't fully current on the Streetfighter's service status. Once I reconnected the battery and pulled the odometer, I discovered the bike was overdue on its Desmo service — something I immediately disclosed, in full, to the salesman. With that information on the table, I was told to bring the bike in. I borrowed a friend's truck, rented a trailer, and made the trip — a not-insignificant logistical undertaking. The bike was dropped off with a verbal instruction to the service attendant: the Streetfighter had been sitting for 30 months and was not to be started until the belts had been inspected and the fuel refreshed. Basic protocol for any long-term storage bike, and something any competent technician should know without being told.

The following Monday I received a call informing me that a Desmo service could not be scheduled for another month. Understandable given the season — but what followed was not. When I contacted the sales team to request even a basic condition assessment to determine trade-in value, I was told the bike was outside their accepted model year range and had been "neglected" due to the missed service. The irony of that characterization — from a shop that was about to demonstrate its own negligence — was not lost on me.

At no point before I borrowed a truck, rented a trailer, and delivered the bike was I informed that a 16-year-old Ducati with a missed service interval was categorically outside their trade-in criteria. That information, had it been volunteered when I first disclosed the bike's history, would have saved everyone considerable time and me considerable expense.

The engine start.
I reinforced my verbal instruction via the GP Bikes service webform and a direct email to service@ — neither of which was ever acknowledged. When I stopped in approximately a week later to advise that I had arranged collection of the bike for the following morning, the service attendant informed me, almost in passing, that the Streetfighter had been started up — and that it had started "perfectly." I was told the fuel had been tested at 90% and they had proceeded on that basis.

Why was it started? I still don't know. I posed that question directly to both the Sales Manager and the Service Manager — in writing. Two weeks now, with no response.

Starting a desmodromic Ducati engine with 30-month-old timing belts and degraded fuel, against the explicit instruction of the owner, is not a judgment call any responsible technician should be making. The fuel, subsequently documented by my mechanic at the specialist shop I eventually used, was visibly cloudy, phase-separated, and contaminated with absorbed moisture — consistent with 30 months of storage. That fuel was cycled through the fuel pump, lines, and injectors by GP's team. My mechanic documented the condition photographically. Fortunately, preliminary inspection suggests no permanent damage to the injector tips — but that outcome was luck, not competence.

The pickup.
When I visited to advise of the next-day collection, I was assured the bike would be pulled from the warehouse and prepared. The transport driver I arranged arrived the following morning to find the bike had not been retrieved — he waited while staff located and extracted it from the warehouse.

The resolution.
There wasn't one. I ultimately flew to Montreal, where a dealer responded to my inquiry within hours, confirmed stock immediately, and completed the transaction professionally and without incident. I rode the Brutale home to Hamilton. It's an exceptional motorcycle. It deserved a better purchase experience, and so did I.

As for the Streetfighter — she's currently with a factory-authorized Ducati and MV Agusta specialist who, in contrast to GP Bikes, responds to messages, keeps commitments, and doesn't start engines they've been told not to touch. The Desmo service is underway and the bike is in good hands.

GP Bikes may be a large operation. But size and professionalism are not the same thing. Between the unresponsive web channels, the inventory misrepresentation, the trade-in process that cost me two trips and a trailer rental for information that could have been given upfront, the unauthorized engine start, the ignored service instructions, the unkept pickup promise, and the stonewalled complaint emails — I encountered a consistent pattern of indifference toward a customer who was genuinely trying to do business with them.

I'd encourage anyone considering GP Bikes for a premium motorcycle purchase to weigh this account carefully. There are other dealers.
 
Sorry to hear about your poor experience with GP, and welcome. It says a lot when someone goes through the trouble of registering for a forum that doesn't support 1/2-click SSO just to vent. Many years ago, GP would have been the only local dealership I would consider bringing my Ducati's to when I couldn't/didn't want to do something myself. Now they're just like every other place. Curious who you're using instead. Ken Livingstone is the only other person in Ontario I've trusted them with. Another tech by the name of Giovani comes highly recommended as well, but I have no experience.

That said, nobody's perfect and even the best can have a bad day. Back when I first started riding, I couldn't afford to pay someone to service or fix my bike, so I had to learn how to do everything myself. Now I still can't afford to pay someone else - not because of the service cost itself, but because of the time, aggravation, and ongoing costs of fixing things that I basically paid to have damaged or done improperly.

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While I agree they should have followed your direction about not starting it, if your concern was about the old fuel in the tank damaging your fuel pump due to moisture accumulation and water separation, that would have already happened from the same fuel inside the pump body. Assuming you have OCD like me, I hesitate to mention how long I've stored and subsequently run my 998 on old fuel when my OCD was trumped by my laziness. Bike is over 80k now and still running strong.
 
I want to preface this by saying I had every intention of spending significant money at GP Bikes. I was looking to trade in a 2010 Ducati Streetfighter 1098 and purchase a new MV Agusta Brutale 1000 RR — a transaction in the $35,000+ range. What followed was one of the most frustrating dealer experiences I've had in over three decades of riding.

It began before I even walked in the door.
I submitted an inquiry through GP's website regarding several MV Agusta models listed as in-stock. No response. Ever. I eventually drove out to the dealership — from Hamilton — only to discover that none of the models I had enquired about were actually on the floor. The inventory listed on their website bore little resemblance to what was physically available.

The trade-in.
Having been out of the country for most of the past decade, I wasn't fully current on the Streetfighter's service status. Once I reconnected the battery and pulled the odometer, I discovered the bike was overdue on its Desmo service — something I immediately disclosed, in full, to the salesman. With that information on the table, I was told to bring the bike in. I borrowed a friend's truck, rented a trailer, and made the trip — a not-insignificant logistical undertaking. The bike was dropped off with a verbal instruction to the service attendant: the Streetfighter had been sitting for 30 months and was not to be started until the belts had been inspected and the fuel refreshed. Basic protocol for any long-term storage bike, and something any competent technician should know without being told.

The following Monday I received a call informing me that a Desmo service could not be scheduled for another month. Understandable given the season — but what followed was not. When I contacted the sales team to request even a basic condition assessment to determine trade-in value, I was told the bike was outside their accepted model year range and had been "neglected" due to the missed service. The irony of that characterization — from a shop that was about to demonstrate its own negligence — was not lost on me.

At no point before I borrowed a truck, rented a trailer, and delivered the bike was I informed that a 16-year-old Ducati with a missed service interval was categorically outside their trade-in criteria. That information, had it been volunteered when I first disclosed the bike's history, would have saved everyone considerable time and me considerable expense.

The engine start.
I reinforced my verbal instruction via the GP Bikes service webform and a direct email to service@ — neither of which was ever acknowledged. When I stopped in approximately a week later to advise that I had arranged collection of the bike for the following morning, the service attendant informed me, almost in passing, that the Streetfighter had been started up — and that it had started "perfectly." I was told the fuel had been tested at 90% and they had proceeded on that basis.

Why was it started? I still don't know. I posed that question directly to both the Sales Manager and the Service Manager — in writing. Two weeks now, with no response.

Starting a desmodromic Ducati engine with 30-month-old timing belts and degraded fuel, against the explicit instruction of the owner, is not a judgment call any responsible technician should be making. The fuel, subsequently documented by my mechanic at the specialist shop I eventually used, was visibly cloudy, phase-separated, and contaminated with absorbed moisture — consistent with 30 months of storage. That fuel was cycled through the fuel pump, lines, and injectors by GP's team. My mechanic documented the condition photographically. Fortunately, preliminary inspection suggests no permanent damage to the injector tips — but that outcome was luck, not competence.

The pickup.
When I visited to advise of the next-day collection, I was assured the bike would be pulled from the warehouse and prepared. The transport driver I arranged arrived the following morning to find the bike had not been retrieved — he waited while staff located and extracted it from the warehouse.

The resolution.
There wasn't one. I ultimately flew to Montreal, where a dealer responded to my inquiry within hours, confirmed stock immediately, and completed the transaction professionally and without incident. I rode the Brutale home to Hamilton. It's an exceptional motorcycle. It deserved a better purchase experience, and so did I.

As for the Streetfighter — she's currently with a factory-authorized Ducati and MV Agusta specialist who, in contrast to GP Bikes, responds to messages, keeps commitments, and doesn't start engines they've been told not to touch. The Desmo service is underway and the bike is in good hands.

GP Bikes may be a large operation. But size and professionalism are not the same thing. Between the unresponsive web channels, the inventory misrepresentation, the trade-in process that cost me two trips and a trailer rental for information that could have been given upfront, the unauthorized engine start, the ignored service instructions, the unkept pickup promise, and the stonewalled complaint emails — I encountered a consistent pattern of indifference toward a customer who was genuinely trying to do business with them.

I'd encourage anyone considering GP Bikes for a premium motorcycle purchase to weigh this account carefully. There are other dealers.

This has been my experience as well, they get so much business, that each customer is treated with indifference and an afterthought

Their sales staff is what I can only politely describe as "severely subpar". I have no experience with their service department.
 
I find their service department professional. Not perfect. But for me they do communicate when the bike wasn't ready on time and the reasons. I typically try to get the services done off peak time eg late Nov. Or early Dec. Not trying to make excuses for them, but this time of year it's just too hectic. They are probably dealing with new sales setups, bikes coming off storage, and everyone else trying to get their bikes ready for the season start.
Im not sure of the reputation for Ducati Toronto in Woodbridge. That may have been another option for service?
 
@streptoman If i were you, id call in and ask for Jerry, the owner. He and I have spoken a few times and he came across as a reasonable person.

Failing a good conversation i'd write a scathing review on google/etc.
 
I've had stoners at other places screw up servicing my previous bikes. What were they doing in a mechanics shop with tools in their hands? I do not know. But they were there apparently servicing machines they couldn't understand until they broke.

Motorcycle shops are a kind of high-end retail, it's a place people wash-up into.

The other error you made was basic. You trusted the internet. You read websites and assumed they were real and you fell i to the email trap where people reduce their workload by tricking you into emailing them instead of talking to you because emails are disposable and ignorable. I'm sorry you didn't know that trick, there was a time I didn't either.

Glad you got a beautiful bike though;)
 
Service wise I've had nothing but good experiences there.


Sales though......
The sales person I bought my Ducati from there was good the first time (although my bike had a dead battery when I went to pick it up), not overly good the second time (mostly for communication issues) which kept me from contacting them for my third bike from them.
Bought a Honda there and the purchase itself went great and was trouble-free and pleasant (completed over the phone and email). Picking it up wasn't the best experience when I arrived when I said would only to be told to go wait outside and they'd bring the bike out (which is fine, if they hadn't taken 30min to bring the bike out).
Tried to buy a KTM dirtbike and they didn't respond to my email or calls (twice). I purchased new elsewhere because of it.
Tried to buy a KTM 1290SAR and they answered my phone/email but had no interest in negotiating price/options so I bought elsewhere for $3,000 less. Didn't matter that I've bought a few bikes there and been a customer for 15yrs, when I told them the advertised price on the same bike elsewhere they just said go buy elsewhere.
I don't bother trying to get them to match other places prices on bikes or gear now. I usually just go elsewhere. I don't even enjoy going in to peruse bikes/gear there anymore (too big, too busy, no one seems friendly, no one seems to care).
 
I think they're good guys but making a living selling motorcycles is a razor-thin margin accomplishment.

Give them a break if you can, everywhere is struggling but they're investing and expanding, and I admire that. They've made a destination for bikers and somewhere I could take people to and they'd be impressed.

That says a lot.
 
I've generally had good experience buying gear and service at GP. Parts etc they always price match, or offer me a discount. Service has been decent, but all I generally do there is install tires when I bring in the wheels.
Sales, the only experience I have, hasn't been impressive.
 
I've generally had good experience buying gear and service at GP. Parts etc they always price match, or offer me a discount. Service has been decent, but all I generally do there is install tires when I bring in the wheels.
Sales, the only experience I have, hasn't been impressive.
Give No Limit Powersports in Cobourg a try next time you need any of those if you're in the east end. Tires/gear/install have been much cheaper there in my experience.
 
Give No Limit Powersports in Cobourg a try next time you need any of those if you're in the east end. Tires/gear/install have been much cheaper there in my experience.
Thanks, I'm East End Toronto, might be a bit of a hike for me. Not sure if the savings are worth the extra time and distance.
 
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