GP BIKES 2014 Trackdays
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The more restrictions the less likely some of the squids will show up for the Weekend warrior shenanigans
Leave the onus on the rider to protect themselves I presume.
Let me grab my popcorn
Back protection is up to the rider for their own protection, We feel that the better you equip yourself the better you will fair in the off event off an incident.
However it is not a direct safety concern for other track goers. If one does not wear the best possible protection it is a direct risk that each individual takes.
To me I would not dare ride with out a proper safety approved helmet even if the laws stated different but back protection is not a mandatory item and is up to the individual to ensure their safety.
We can argue about the safety of different helmets or cheaper made suits that tear apart within moments of impact but again there is nothing in writing saying you have to wear the absolute best protection, However we strongly encourage and recommend that one would take safety measures to aid them in such an event.
If anyone has concerns with their safety then they should purchase the according gear.
Please feel free to contact me via email with such concerns. jeff@gpbikes.com
Gp Bikes has been hosting safe track days for years and thrive to keep it this way as we always get positive feedback on days well run. And I believe that most all of our clients already wear back protectors
However it is not a direct safety concern for other track goers. If one does not wear the best possible protection it is a direct risk that each individual takes.
To me I would not dare ride with out a proper safety approved helmet even if the laws stated different but back protection is not a mandatory item and is up to the individual to ensure their safety.
We can argue about the safety of different helmets or cheaper made suits that tear apart within moments of impact but again there is nothing in writing saying you have to wear the absolute best protection, However we strongly encourage and recommend that one would take safety measures to aid them in such an event.
If anyone has concerns with their safety then they should purchase the according gear.
Please feel free to contact me via email with such concerns. jeff@gpbikes.com
Gp Bikes has been hosting safe track days for years and thrive to keep it this way as we always get positive feedback on days well run. And I believe that most all of our clients already wear back protectors
Yes, that exact incident is one of the two I personally witnessed where safety wiring could have prevented a big problem. The other was a TMP day where the guy lost his oil drain plug on the straight - oiled his rear tire and went down hard, and his puddle took another fellow out as well if memory serves.
Have I seen seen bikes crash because the rear axle nut, front axle pinch bolts, or brake caliper bolts were not wired? Nope, never. But SOAR requires all of these items to be wired. That's their discretion and I have no problem with it, but telling a track day rider he should wire that stuff for his own safety really seems like overkill to me.
So you are saying that a drain plug bolt is able to come lose but an axle nut or brake caliper bolt wont? or are you saying that losing brake fluid pressure because of a lose brake caliper bolt is of no concern to you?
Or are you saying that all track day riders properly torque their bolts? or a guy on his first track day goes over his bike before the day?
Not sure I follow!
Sorry to GP bikes for high jacking this thread but i think this is good conversation.
If I may interject I think the intentions of every track official are with safety for each individual rider and themselves. Things such as drain bolts coming loose are possible but unlikely and yes in a perfect world these things would not happen but they sometimes do. It can be argued that everyone wires their bikes in the off chance of a fluid containing bolt coming loose, or making sure you go over the crucial bolts every time you ride. All engines contain oil and have a more likely chance of cracking during a crash and spilling fluids all over the track for the next rider to come crashing down over them. Yes Marshalls will react quick and flag the track until it is cleaned but whos to say how many will be involved with that incident. I just think and this is my personal opinion plan for the worst hope for the best but their are so many unforseen circumstances that can not be planned for. We are checking to make sure during tech that everything is in tip top shape no loose parts bolts filters wheels etc. we are looking for fluid leaks and anything that will endanger our riders. in the many years i have been doing this i have saw 1 event were oil was spilled on the track during one of our days and it was crash related. I dont want to take away from any opinions that others may have and I would like you all to believe that safety starts with you and it is my job to ensure it.
I hope this does not get takin the wrong way
I absolutely agree with you. My comments were and I quote myself "I would STRONGLY recommend that you forget what the minimal requirements are for a specific provider and safety your bike to the highest standards so you don't lose your life due to a technical or safety problem."
I don't think GP bikes is doing anything wrong in not requiring riders to safety wire their bikes, I believe riders should forget about minimum requirements and safety wire their damn bikes but it seems I am the only one that thinks this way.
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On a side note
Gp bikes will be offering special promotions on purchase for track related items upon purchase of track days.
ie. If you purchase the day you will be able to pre order such items and have them delivered to the track at a discounted price to you.
Items will include Dion Devices, selected back protectors and other track related items. More details on exact items and discounts to follow.
Pre register to ensure your spot as it looks like it will be a very desirable track
Gp bikes will be offering special promotions on purchase for track related items upon purchase of track days.
ie. If you purchase the day you will be able to pre order such items and have them delivered to the track at a discounted price to you.
Items will include Dion Devices, selected back protectors and other track related items. More details on exact items and discounts to follow.
Pre register to ensure your spot as it looks like it will be a very desirable track
Sorry, I was talking about brake caliper mounting bolts, not the line banjo bolts. But no, I don't think wiring banjo bolts is something track day riders should necessarily be encouraged to do either. If the line connectors weren't reliable as designed, then the bike wouldn't be safe for the street either!
My point is just that there is no limit to the number of things you could require for "safety", and at a certain point it becomes enough of an inconvenience that the added expense / effort is not worth the tiny potential improvement in safety. I put safety wiring of axles etc in that category because I have never witnessed (or heard of) an accident that would have been prevented by doing that. Perhaps someone here has a story of that type to relate?
I am guessing that the reason that those particular items are sometimes required to be wired is that they are fasteners that are removed fairly often by racers (i.e., to change wheels or brake pads), and so have a higher chance of eventually being forgotten and not torqued properly. In that sense, safety wiring is probably more important for a racer than a track day rider, since a track day guy might only change tires once a year on his street bike, and have the calipers off once every two years or so. And, he is not likely doing it under pressure to make a grid in the next 45 minutes.
Obviously we are not likely to agree on this issue! I still like you.
Well, I think you are ugly
You guys are so mean. The polite term is "aesthetically challenged". As for "slow" we shall see (I assume you are referring to lap times and not my IQ).
For background: atss2006 and I will be running together on the Prairie Dogs GTU endurance team this year, and everyone on the team is already talking lots of smack about who will have the best lap times. Nothing like turning laps back to back on the same bike to find out who wears the pants...and who wears the panties (no offense formula femme riders....). After the first round we will have to start a thread on this rivalry so we can rub each other's noses in it as publicly as possible.
Well since I will be most likely running endurance on a 250 and on a completely different class I can say, if you guys are worrying about lap times during endurance and going full on all the time, you will no last longer than 10 laps
Well since I will be most likely running endurance on a 250 and on a completely different class I can say, if you guys are worrying about lap times during endurance and going full on all the time, you will no last longer than 10 laps
Oh great - so now when I am the fastest they will just say I was being irresponsible.
You are not helping.
SlowMo
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Just don't let Omar crash on the victory lap again...
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please note that this is an active list of items and products can and will be added or removed.
if anyone has any questions about this promo feel free to contact me at 905 4288983 or jeff@gpbikes.com
How it works is when you pre register for a trackday with us you will get a confirmation email with a coupon attached for a 20% discount on the items selected in our track essentials buyers guide. cut and past the link in your browser to view the items
http://gpbikes.com/buyers-guides/track-day-essentials.html
you can simply print the coupon or buy online with a coupon code provided in the email.
please note that this is an active list of items and products can and will be added or removed.
if anyone has any questions about this promo feel free to contact me at 905 4288983 or jeff@gpbikes.com
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