I see one in Mississauga for sale for a couple grand more with lower mileage. Factor in hassle, trailer rental, fuel, risk, etc... seems like a no brainer to skip the Quebec one???
As others noted, if you have limited riding experience, it is a bad choice for a first bike. ALSO, get an insurance quote before buying!
Yeah, I had a 821 monster when I was in Portugal unfortunately I can't exchange the lisense here so I'm gonna have to go thru the whole process. I'm an experienced rider so it won't be my "first" over 600 cc bike. I'm just not that familiar with provincial law here.
I see one in Mississauga for sale for a couple grand more with lower mileage. Factor in hassle, trailer rental, fuel, risk, etc... seems like a no brainer to skip the Quebec one???
As others noted, if you have limited riding experience, it is a bad choice for a first bike. ALSO, get an insurance quote before buying!
Yeah, I had a 821 monster when I was in Portugal unfortunately I can't exchange the lisense here so I'm gonna have to go thru the whole process. I'm an experienced rider so it won't be my "first" over 600 cc bike. I'm just not that familiar with provincial law here.
Yeah, I had a 821 monster when I was in Portugal unfortunately I can't exchange the lisense here so I'm gonna have to go thru the whole process. I'm an experienced rider so it won't be my "first" over 600 cc bike. I'm just not that familiar with provincial law here.
It will be your first bike in the eyes of the insurance company.
Also, your path of having the seller in Quebec be responsible for anything, is a recipe for disaster. If they cover up, or don't know about, a critical issue (e.g. something in the bike's history that prevents it from being registered, licensed, and insured in Ontario) you're out of luck.
Update on the registration of my 1980 Moto Guzzi V50 purchased in Quebec
As of 11:00 am today it is registered in my name as unplated (waiting on inspection)
All I needed was a bill of sale from registered owner and the signed copy of transfer section from Quebec registration.
The ownership had actually expired in 2014.
Because of the age and obvious finnancial situation of the owner I am willing to take the chance that there are no liens.
For what you are spending and the age of the motorcycle I would do a title search.
Hear in Ontario it is the "sellers package" $20.00 but not sure what Quebec has.
At 14K the Ducati must be due for the $1,500.00 valve adjustment.
As a side story a friend moved from Quebec to Alberta with his Yamaha Excessive 11.
4 years later an insurance company tracked down the bike because it had been stolen.
Since the ownership had changed hands 4 time they had no legal recourse.
All they wanted to do was confirm the existance of the motorcycle so they could close the file.
Again to put that into prespective my friend had worked on the construction of the Big OWE in 1975.
The issue as I understand it with a new vehicle is that if the dealer is not licensed to sell in Ontario they can not issue
the New Vehicle Info for Ontario but only for Quebec so you have to register it in Quebec and pay tax in Quebec then transfer the title in Ontario
and pay the tax again.
Buying a used vehicle with existing ownership is a whole different story (see earlier post)
A lot of Qubec dealers close to the border can register in both provinces.
Don't take this as fact because I could be wrong. (it would be my first time and I am sticking with that story).
As a start, Qc allows branded/rebuilt bikes. Ontario is a hard no for those. Also lots of questionable Vin swapping in qc. It doesn't seem to be on their priority list to deal with.
The issue as I understand it with a new vehicle is that if the dealer is not licensed to sell in Ontario they can not issue
the New Vehicle Info for Ontario but only for Quebec so you have to register it in Quebec and pay tax in Quebec then transfer the title in Ontario
and pay the tax again.
Well in my case, both were new BMW motorcycles, not from some manufacturer that nobody has ever heard about.
As for taxes, you pay tax in QC and then pay tax again in ON and within a month, you get the full refund of the QC tax. A long ride but it was worth it. I got a 19% discount on the MSRP of the motorcycle with no freight and PDI charged.
As a start, Qc allows branded/rebuilt bikes. Ontario is a hard no for those. Also lots of questionable Vin swapping in qc. It doesn't seem to be on their priority list to deal with.
As a start, Qc allows branded/rebuilt bikes. Ontario is a hard no for those. Also lots of questionable Vin swapping in qc. It doesn't seem to be on their priority list to deal with.
There have sadly been many instances of optimistic gtam members getting burned with qc bikes. It may not be a large percentage but it is far from zero.
How many people actually check the serial number stamped into the frame when purcasing a used motorcycle
to insure it has not been altered and match the bill of sale?
I do!
I know you can alter a serial number so it looks original but most crooks are to lazy to do it properly unless its a very high priced item.
I have purchased a motorcycle with XXed out numbers (as if that is going to fool anybody) from a guy who swore it was his and not stolen.
I only wanted it for parts so the frame was in a metal scrap bin a few hours later.
I try to be a consciences person and recycle.
How many people actually check the serial number stamped into the frame when purcasing a used motorcycle
to insure it has not been altered and match the bill of sale?
I do!
One time I was looking at a motocrosser and the owner did not have a registration for it, only a hand written bill of sale. That is no proof that you own it.
And when selling, I never sign the back of the registration hoping the new owner will transfer it into their name. I go with them to the MTO and transfer it on the spot.
Can a vehicle with a salvage/rebuilt title end up in Ontario and be registered without this material fact being revealed..?
'Asking 'cuz I see a large used car dealer seems to have a lot of vehicles that according to carfax have been brought in from Quebec
I’ve purchased 3 vehicles from Quebec now - 2 EV’s and my wife’s Spyder.
Private sale vs dealer is very different. Private, you just get the ownership and bill of sale, head home, go to service Ontario and transfer it. You pay the taxes at that point. Nothing needs to be done in Quebec at all.
Dealers, it varies. The first car we purchased in Quebec we had to pay Quebec tax but the dealer gave us a cheque for the value of the taxes and looked after seeking a refund themselves. Beyond that it was the same process, take the owner ownership to service Ontario, transfer it, and pay the taxes.
The last dealer that we purchased a latest vehicle from had the ability to submit the taxes directly to Ontario in the correct amount so that streamlined things. Still have to go to service Ontario when you return home but the paperwork showed that the taxes had already been paid so all that was due with the transfer fee.
Safeties are done in Ontario, a safety from Quebec means absolutely nothing here so don’t spend a dime on that as it’s a worthless slip of paper here.
As others have mentioned, for any motorcycle, do your due diligence. If it’s branded rebuild it’s basically parts value here and nothing more as it cannot be registered.
And yeah, OP, for the love of all things holy, get insurance quotes before buying that. You may find that many companies won’t even insure you, and the ones that do may end up costing the value of the bike again in the first year insurance. As others have mentioned, that’s not really a good choice of first bike.
And yeah, in the end, the whole Quebec thing needs to be worth it. If all you are saving is $1000 versus Ontario options, by the time you pay your gas, a trailer rental, perhaps a hotel for the night, and all of your meals, you’re not going to end up saving much when it’s all said and done. For the Spyder we bought we saved about $2500, for our last car we saved over $10,000, and a significant amount for the one before that, so it was worth it, but I looked in Quebec when I bought my current bike and most I was going to save was about $1600 which wasn’t really worth it for the time involved.
Can a vehicle with a salvage/rebuilt title end up in Ontario and be registered without this material fact being revealed..?
'Asking 'cuz I see a large used car dealer seems to have a lot of vehicles that according to carfax have been brought in from Quebec
It is easyish to mask rebuilt titles on Quebec vehicles that are shipped out of province.
When it comes to motorcycles that are being sold at dealers, you will certainly find lots of ex Quebec bikes as there are deals to be had for dealers. For cars, it can be much shadier. Due diligence and careful inspection is absolutely required.
Although like I said we have purchased two cars from Quebec now, we purchased directly through large dealers which added legitimacy. I still did due diligence. No way in hell would I ever buy from a small dodgy used car lot type thing from Quebec.
Yeah... 'Not a "small" dealer, but still...
One unit I looked at displayed pretty obvious evidence of collision damage. CarFax indicated "No accident/damage reports"
Used car shopping is such a mine field
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